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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Um, during Bush's 2 terms he only created 1.1M non-farm jobs, Obama has surpassed that in less time.
    "Jobs Created" is a sucker statistic. There is an upward bounds where you reach statistical full employment where it is harder to create jobs as there is a shortage of bodies. As you approach full employment the job creation gets harder as there is a shortage of bodies entering the system above the population growth rate. This upward bound sits around 4% unemployment as that is the normal expected cyclical unemployment turnover gap.

    So it is expected that a president that presides over a 10% unemployment will also preside over more job creation that a president that presides over a 4-5% unemployment rate.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Back-in-Black plan -- Sen. Coburn(R-OK) July, 2011; Balances the budget in 4-5 years; 10 years of cutting actual budget deficits each ensuing year by a total of 9 TRILLION overall in 10 years -- it had the 8-for-one swap. I believe this was the beinning of the "grand bargain idea". Eight parts in cuts to one part in revenue. Most of his revenue came from closing loopholes. Norquist and TEAcrazies trashed him from the right and Liberals weren't too thrilled either. THIS PLAN IS PAINFUL but can be done. The sequester doesn't come close, and that's before the priorities.
    Sequester will not come close to these numbers. Remember the debate when Romney had to raise his hand to be against a 10-for-1 swap, a critical mistake in the general. Doc. Coburn left room for "conversation" in his plan. That Obama/Boehner couldn't close the deal in 2011, we start on very thin ice.
    Facts have a liberal bias---so I'm sure our friend Conservative will argue that what you wrote is just lefty propaganda.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The point is entitlement costs, interest expense, defense, Veterans affairs are required govt. spending, nothing else is required. It is amazing to me how brainwashed people like you have become in believing we need a 3.8 trillion dollar federal govt. That is a sad state of affairs and time for a real dose of reality. Liberals are going to run out of other people's money to spend.
    Then why did the Republican controlled House pass a budget for which there was not enough revenue???

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Good. Then Congress should agree to pay all existing debt, no strings attached, and we should have a fresh fight over a new budget.

    I think we should cut the Defense spending by 50%. No $50B to NSA; No 50B to Statel; No $50B to Homeland Security--cut all those to $25 or less. Next, chop that huge $667B Military Budget down to 300--tops. Lastly, look closely at what we give Vets. Maybe we should cut what we give them by 50% too...that is if we are to cut Foodstamps and other gvt assistance programs.
    We should cut every budget line item by 10-15%. Each party gets one line item to restrict cuts to by Department.

    If my math is correct, that should return us to 2008 spending levels, which would almost be deficit neutral based on current revenue projections.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Then why did the Republican controlled House pass a budget for which there was not enough revenue???
    You mean the FY 2009 budget that was projected to create a surplus by 2012, by keeping runaway spending in check? The one that projected to spend 3.1 trillion in 2012 ? That one?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Yeah, the Republicans were for an individual mandate if needed, well until they weren't. Weasel words.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    You mean the FY 2009 budget that was projected to create a surplus by 2012, by keeping runaway spending in check? The one that projected to spend 3.1 trillion in 2012 ? That one?
    No. The one they passed which clearly showed $2.9B in revenue versus $3.8 B in spending. That one.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Yeah, the Republicans were for an individual mandate if needed, well until they weren't. Weasel words.
    ~19 guys != Republicans.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    ~19 guys != Republicans.
    It goes a lot deeper than that.

    The Health Care Law Guru vs. the Conservative who Inspired It | The Business Desk with Paul Solman | PBS NewsHour | PBS
    Solman: Where does the idea for The Connector come from?

    Gruber: The idea for the health insurance connector, or really health insurance marketplace, really comes from basic economics, but I guess it's probably first associated with the Heritage Foundation, which was promoting this as a way of promoting competition and health insurance markets for a long time. In particular, folks at the Heritage Foundation talked a lot to then-Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney about introducing connector-like mechanism in Massachusetts.
    Like I said, it's a Republican plan that the Republicans now oppose.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    It goes a lot deeper than that.

    The Health Care Law Guru vs. the Conservative who Inspired It | The Business Desk with Paul Solman | PBS NewsHour | PBS


    Like I said, it's a Republican plan that the Republicans now oppose.
    Proposed as an alternative to government run health care, i.e. single payer, incentivising catastrophic insurance coverage purchases via a tax credit, with no requirement that you participate, isn't a mandate. Geez, you really need to do more research than lmgtfy.

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