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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The point is entitlement costs, interest expense, defense, Veterans affairs are required govt. spending, nothing else is required. It is amazing to me how brainwashed people like you have become in believing we need a 3.8 trillion dollar federal govt. That is a sad state of affairs and time for a real dose of reality. Liberals are going to run out of other people's money to spend.
    I don't think we need a $3.8T budget. But, the debt obligations due in 2013 are $3.8T. What part of "now is not the time to argue about the budget" do you fail to understand?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Back-in-Black plan -- Sen. Coburn(R-OK) July, 2011; Balances the budget in 4-5 years; 10 years of cutting actual budget deficits each ensuing year by a total of 9 TRILLION overall in 10 years -- it had the 8-for-one swap. I believe this was the beinning of the "grand bargain idea". Eight parts in cuts to one part in revenue. Most of his revenue came from closing loopholes. Norquist and TEAcrazies trashed him from the right and Liberals weren't too thrilled either. THIS PLAN IS PAINFUL but can be done. The sequester doesn't come close, and that's before the priorities.
    Sequester will not come close to these numbers. Remember the debate when Romney had to raise his hand to be against a 10-for-1 swap, a critical mistake in the general. Doc. Coburn left room for "conversation" in his plan. That Obama/Boehner couldn't close the deal in 2011, we start on very thin ice.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Considering you were 50% too low on your first estimate, You may want to scribble some on the back of an envelope.

    Defense, including military, veterans, Homeland Security, NSA, and State: $1T

    Add to that maybe $500B for daily operations of departments from Energy to Labor, and you see we're already over budget at $3T and counting. Add to that Interest due and Human Service payments like Foodstamps and subsidized housing and Voila! $3.8T

    A little over $300B per month.
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    I think the law sucks. But...that's not the issue. I think lots of laws suck. But, I don't want my congressman to bankrupt the country in an effort to overturn them all.
    I think we are saying the same thing very differently, but are on the same sheet of music. I agree. The ACA law doesn't effect me, I am an old fart and a military retiree to boot.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    We cannot piroritize what debts or payments we make if we allow the deadline for raising the debt ceiling to pass by.
    Who says? there is no budget only the entitlement spending and cost of our military in discretionary is mandatory. Stop buying what you hear and think for a change.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    I don't think we need a $3.8T budget. But, the debt obligations due in 2013 are $3.8T. What part of "now is not the time to argue about the budget" do you fail to understand?
    No, that is your opinion. There are no debt obligations for fiscal year 2014 yet so now is the time to stop spending. 2013 is in the books.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The point is defense..... are required govt. spending, nothing else is required.
    Only a small portion of defense spending is mandatory.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    What about the congressional staffers, they did not ask to become political bargaining chips in the health care debate
    No, but at the time 58% of Americans told congress they didn't want the law to begin with and yet they got it too. Today according to CNN 57%, USA Today 52% and ABC 51% do not want it either but have been forced upon them. 2010 happened too late to change anything.

    There are a lot of people who do not want to be bargaining chips or to have things forced upon them. Stuff happens. I am on record as posting that I think this was/is a stupid ploy by the House Republicans. I would have much rather they waited on the ACA until November of next year and let the people decide whether or not the law is good after it has been fully implemented for a year. I think the Republicans have chosen the wrong time, the wrong way to have this fight. I think the republicans and this shut down is the best thing the ACA could have hoped for.

    I don't know if it is good or bad, up till now all we have had is a bunch of theories and political hyperbole from both sides. Why not give it a full year and let the people decide by who or which party controls the senate. I know what my gut is telling about next years senate elections, but right now the GOP is giving me acid indigestion.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Only a small portion of defense spending is mandatory.
    That is true, thus the entire 700 billion defense budget isn't mandatory but salaries and benefits IMO are

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is true,
    See how easy it is to admit you were wrong.

    If only you could accept that Texas is diverting FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS to state hospitals meant to offset uninsured coverage.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    First of all, the ACA is a Republican plan that Republicans now oppose. So thanks for making my point.

    And, second, those of us who are not racists see what the Right is doing. They are setting Washington ablaze and then pointing at the Black guy while screaming, "He did it!"
    Good grief. Wrong on both. Way wrong. You lefties seem to always see race first.
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