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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Hmm, so much for the mainstream media to give you any details. I think if the one year delay is good enough for corporations, it ought to be the same for the individual. Now don't go get me thinking, I might say something like who is in bed with corporations over the people now.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    in 2012 Medicare was 472 billion and SS was 773 for a total of 1.2 trillion or 100 billion a month.
    2013: Medicare $550B; SS $882B for total $1.45T

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    2013: Medicare $550B; SS $882B for total $1.45T
    That is 120 billion a month so what is your point? No default necessary

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Since when is 30 hours a week full time employment. I always thought that was 40 hours a week. then the part of two part time employees working 20 hours each equals one full time employee. Who decides which employee gets the coverage and which one does not? I printed it off, I go over it again later. I just scanned it but those two things stood out.

    I don't know, but I think letting the law be in effect for a full year will tell us whether it is good or bad. I have always been of the opinion the fate of this laws lies with those who already have insurance. Whether their insurances price goes up or down, whether they end up with better coverage or less and so on. The election of 2014 will probably be a referendum on Obamacare if it is close to being as bad as the republicans say it is going to be.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is 120 billion a month so what is your point? No default necessary
    Considering you were 50% too low on your first estimate, You may want to scribble some on the back of an envelope.

    Defense, including military, veterans, Homeland Security, NSA, and State: $1T

    Add to that maybe $500B for daily operations of departments from Energy to Labor, and you see we're already over budget at $3T and counting. Add to that Interest due and Human Service payments like Foodstamps and subsidized housing and Voila! $3.8T

    A little over $300B per month.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Since when is 30 hours a week full time employment. I always thought that was 40 hours a week. then the part of two part time employees working 20 hours each equals one full time employee. Who decides which employee gets the coverage and which one does not? I printed it off, I go over it again later. I just scanned it but those two things stood out.

    I don't know, but I think letting the law be in effect for a full year will tell us whether it is good or bad. I have always been of the opinion the fate of this laws lies with those who already have insurance. Whether their insurances price goes up or down, whether they end up with better coverage or less and so on. The election of 2014 will probably be a referendum on Obamacare if it is close to being as bad as the republicans say it is going to be.
    I think the law sucks. But...that's not the issue. I think lots of laws suck. But, I don't want my congressman to bankrupt the country in an effort to overturn them all.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Somehow having congress under the same laws they pass, it is just too much to expect.
    What about the congressional staffers, they did not ask to become political bargaining chips in the health care debate

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Considering you were 50% too low on your first estimate, You may want to scribble some on the back of an envelope.

    Defense, including military, veterans, Homeland Security, NSA, and State: $1T

    Add to that maybe $500B for daily operations of departments from Energy to Labor, and you see we're already over budget at $3T and counting. Add to that Interest due and Human Service payments like Foodstamps and subsidized housing and Voila! $3.8T

    A little over $300B per month.
    The point is entitlement costs, interest expense, defense, Veterans affairs are required govt. spending, nothing else is required. It is amazing to me how brainwashed people like you have become in believing we need a 3.8 trillion dollar federal govt. That is a sad state of affairs and time for a real dose of reality. Liberals are going to run out of other people's money to spend.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is 120 billion a month so what is your point? No default necessary
    We cannot piroritize what debts or payments we make if we allow the deadline for raising the debt ceiling to pass by.

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