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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Some tea party congressmen find signs of political backlash at home

    By Philip Rucker, Published: October 6

    GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. — Nearly three years after a band of renegade congressmen brought the tea party insurgency to Washington, there are early rumblings of a political backlash in some of their districts.

    Here in the Dutch Reformed country of West Michigan, long a bastion of mainstream, mannerly conservatism, voters in 2010 handed the House seat once held by Gerald R. Ford to Justin Amash, a 33-year-old revolutionary and heir to the libertarian mantle of former congressman Ron Paul (R-Tex.). Amash was part of an attempted coup against House Speaker John A. Boehner (R- Ohio) and is a leader of the House tea party faction that helped force a government shutdown last week.

    But within Grand Rapids’ powerful business establishment, patience is running low with Amash’s ideological agenda and tactics. Some business leaders are recruiting a Republican primary challenger who they hope will serve the old-fashioned way — by working the inside game and playing nice to gain influence and solve problems for the district. They are tired of tea party governance, as exemplified by the budget fight that led to the shutdown and threatens a first-ever U.S. credit default.

    Similar efforts are underway in at least three other districts — one in the moneyed Detroit suburbs and the others in North Carolina and Tennessee — where business leaders are backing primary campaigns against Republican congressmen who have alienated party leaders. The races mark a notable shift in a party in which most primary challenges in recent years have come from the right.
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Evening Pol, hope all is well with you. On the shutdown, me being a numbers guy, CNN just released their new poll which shows 63% of Americans angry at Republicans, 57% angry at Democrats and 53% angry at President Obama. But more important to me, this poll also included independent voter figures which so far has more or less been an educated guess. Among independents and independents only, 60% are angry at congressional Republicans, 59% angry at congressional Democrats and 58% angry at President Obama.

    As I have been saying all along, both parties are taking the hit and independent voters are blaming both sides equally. I think the rise where it now looks relative even is the president and the senate majority leaders continuing to appear on TV saying they will not negotiate. Who started this fight or who is right or wrong is no longer important to indies, it is appearances and perspectives they are now digesting and having one side saying they refuse to negotiate has brought the Democrats up to almost even in the polls for blame. Never mind it was the rider to defund the ACA that started all of this. That has IMO ceased to be important to them.

    In another poll released this morning it showed 33% blaming the Democrats and the President, 36% blaming the Republicans and 25% blaming both parties. What is interesting from the 3 Oct poll is the Republicans dropped from 44% to 36% as to whom Americans are blaming, the Democrats dropped from 35% to 33%, but those who blamed both parties rose from 17% to 25%.

    The poll just released by CNN confirms that most Americans are moving to blame both parties. Compare these results with the 1996 shutdown where 51% of Americans blamed the Republicans and only 28% blamed Clinton and the Democrats, I would say as far as the public's perception goes, it is a lose, lose situation for both parties at the moment.
    Thanks, Pero! What should be done, IMO?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    But what about the disastrous attempt to invade and take over parts of Canada? Madison could have still negotiated with Britain, considering in the grand scheme of things we were not prepared to fight the British empire and its thousands of veteran soldiers with combat experience in the Napoleonic wars.

    If we just limited our war time goals to ending impressment of us sailors, then I can understand the need for the war, but the invasion of Canada makes it look like we were fighting a war of expansion.
    the u.s. was already in talks with Britain before the war.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    in the war of 1812 the u.s. in the battle of Bladensburg outside of Washington, the u.s. forces were commanded by a government bureaucrat and defeated, at Baltimore and fort McHenry, Americas were commanded by military men, and the British were forced to withdraw, and "old hickory" a military man soundly defeated the British in new Orleans, in America'S most slop -sided victory.
    This is really off topic. The point still remains that the right is to blame for the government shutdown! We must drop these petty, irrelevant political differences and do what is best for America!, which is to destroy the Tea Party and any other party that supports them on this issue!
    sad

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Old English View Post
    This is really off topic. The point still remains that the right is to blame for the government shutdown! We must drop these petty, irrelevant political differences and do what is best for America!, which is to destroy the Tea Party and any other party that supports them on this issue!
    really?........would this be your idea?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Old English View Post
    This is really off topic. The point still remains that the right is to blame for the government shutdown! We must drop these petty, irrelevant political differences and do what is best for America!, which is to destroy the Tea Party and any other party that supports them on this issue!
    Did you bother to read your post before hitting Post given its inflammatory, single minded content?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    I actually, at this point, want the republicans to keep fighting this losing battle and keep the government shutdown so that I can hit them hard where it hurts in t minus 7 days, at which point I can completely corner them and we will no longer have this problem again!
    sad

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Thanks, Pero! What should be done, IMO?
    IMO the defunding rider never should have never been attached to the CR in the first place. So this crisis if that is what some people are calling it, the GOP is responsible for it. The wise thing to do on the CR was to pass it with lower funding which the Dems agreed to and move on to the debt ceiling debate and let the 2014 elections decide the fate of the ACA after it had been in effect for about a year. But there is no going back now that the House Republicans have started down this road.

    I agree with Nimby idea, have the Dems throw the Republicans a bone in the form of the Keystone Pipeline and the medical device tax and get down to negotiating the debt ceiling. Something along those lines. This defunding battle was one of the most stupid poltical gambit I have ever seen. But what is surprising to me is at this point in time, the shutdown seems to be hurting both parties about evenly. I never expected that. I think what is coming across is that the American People expect the two parties to negotiate regardless of who is at fault. That is my opinion. But all of this is dynamic and could change tomorrow.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Old English View Post
    I actually, at this point, want the republicans to keep fighting this losing battle and keep the government shutdown so that I can hit them hard where it hurts in t minus 7 days, at which point I can completely corner them and we will no longer have this problem again!
    I think most of us will still be here to witness your destructive intents...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Did you bother to read your post before hitting Post given its inflammatory, single minded content?
    I thought the very same thing but figured, oh what the hell, this joker is either a troll or beyond help so why bother to respond.

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