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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

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    CNN Shutdown Poll: Plenty of blame to go around – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

    According to the poll, 63% of those questioned say they are angry at the Republicans for the way they have handled the shutdown.

    "But the Democrats are not getting off scot-free. Fifty-seven percent of Americans are also angry at the way the Democrats are dealing with the shutdown. And a 53% majority say they are also angry at President Obama," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "It looks like there is more than enough blame to go around and both parties are being hurt by the shutdown."

    The CNN poll results are similar to those from a new Pew Research Center poll also released Monday and surveys from Gallup and CBS News/New York Times surveys conducted last week, which indicate slightly more people blaming - or angry at - Republicans than Democrats or the president for the shutdown.

    Not surprisingly, huge majorities of Democrats are angry at the Republicans, and huge majorities of Republicans are angry at Obama and Democrats. Independents are equally angry at all sides, with 59% of Independents very or somewhat angry at the Democrats, six in 10 angry at the GOP, and 58% angry at Obama.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Old English View Post
    Who cares what Madison said... Barack Obama SAYS it's time to move forward!
    well if you can get this name on the constitution, maybe you would have something

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    But James Madison will also be remembered for presiding over the disastrous war of 1812 and allowing the capital building be burned to the ground.
    wrong, Madison could not stop the British, America's military was still to weak at Bladensburg, Madison, mounted a horse and when out in to the countryside to rally and give hope to the people.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    wrong, Madison could not stop the British, America's military was still to weak, Madison, mounted a horse and when out in to the countryside to rally and give hope to the people.
    If maddison knew America was not prepared for war why did he not try to convince the congressmen calling for war that their idea was stupid and ill-advised.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    The President asked for a $1,200 Billion clean CR.
    The Repub House offered a $988 Billion CR loaded up with policy riders, their form of filibuster.
    The Senate Dems then agreed with the Hiuse Repub #, only with it clean.
    Guess what? House Repubs then moved the goalposts to $966 Billion.
    Howdy old friend On the shutdown, CNN just released their new poll which shows 63% of Americans angry at Republicans, 57% angry at Democrats and 53% angry at President Obama. But more important to me, this poll also included independent voter figures which so far has more or less been an educated guess. Among independents and independents only, 60% are angry at congressional Republicans, 59% angry at congressional Democrats and 58% angry at President Obama.

    As I have been saying all along, both parties are taking the hit and independent voters are blaming both sides equally. I think the rise where it now looks relative even is the president and the senate majority leaders continuing to appear on TV saying they will not negotiate. Who started this fight or who is right or wrong is no longer important to indies, it is appearances and perspectives they are now digesting and having one side saying they refuse to negotiate has brought the Democrats up to almost even in the polls for blame. Never mind it was the rider to defund the ACA that started all of this. That has IMO ceased to be important to them.

    In another poll released this morning it showed 33% blaming the Democrats and the President, 36% blaming the Republicans and 25% blaming both parties. What is interesting from the 3 Oct poll is the Republicans dropped from 44% to 36% as to whom Americans are blaming, the Democrats dropped from 35% to 33%, but those who blamed both parties rose from 17% to 25%.

    The poll just released by CNN confirms that most Americans are moving to blame both parties. Compare these results with the 1996 shutdown where 51% of Americans blamed the Republicans and only 28% blamed Clinton and the Democrats, I would say as far as the public's perception goes, it is a lose, lose situation for both parties at the moment.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The poll just released by CNN confirms that most Americans are moving to blame both parties. Compare these results with the 1996 shutdown where 51% of Americans blamed the Republicans and only 28% blamed Clinton and the Democrats, I would say as far as the public's perception goes, it is a lose, lose situation for both parties at the moment.
    I would like to point out that the people are the winners in that scenario. It will be most curious to see if that anger is still at the forefront of our minds 12 months from now, or if the same guys get elected again....and again.....and again.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    If maddison knew America was not prepared for war why did he not try to convince the congressmen calling for war that their idea was stupid and ill-advised.
    so your saying that even though the British impressment of Americans at sea, and America was in talks with Britain over it, they should not go to war, because they should be afraid they would lose?

    America went to war with Britain before ,with them not expected to win, America was taking on the most powerful nation in the world in 1776 and they won.

    your saying they should be cowardly.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    I would like to point out that the people are the winners in that scenario. It will be most curious to see if that anger is still at the forefront of our minds 12 months from now, or if the same guys get elected again....and again.....and again.
    If 1996 is an example and I think the shut down occured in January of that year with less time between the shut down and the election. In November of that year, in a year Bill Clinton beat the pants off Bob Dole, the Republicans who were blamed by a 51-28 margin lost 2 house seats and won 2 senate seats. Apparently 10 month later the shut down meant nothing. Remember the old saying about the bums in Washington, everyone lovers their own congressman, it is the other 434 they hate.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so your saying that even though the British impressment of Americans at sea, and America was in talks with Britain over it, they should not go to war, because they should be afraid they would lose?

    America went to war with Britain before ,with them not expected to win, America was taking on the most powerful nation in the world in 1776 and they won.

    your saying they should be cowardly.
    But what about the disastrous attempt to invade and take over parts of Canada? Madison could have still negotiated with Britain, considering in the grand scheme of things we were not prepared to fight the British empire and its thousands of veteran soldiers with combat experience in the Napoleonic wars.

    If we just limited our war time goals to ending impressment of us sailors, then I can understand the need for the war, but the invasion of Canada makes it look like we were fighting a war of expansion.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    in the war of 1812 the u.s. in the battle of Bladensburg outside of Washington, the u.s. forces were commanded by a government bureaucrat and defeated, at Baltimore and fort McHenry, Americas were commanded by military men, and the British were forced to withdraw, and "old hickory" a military man soundly defeated the British in new Orleans, in America'S most slop -sided victory.
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