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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Old English View Post
    Not only does government have the authority to provide essential services, like protecting the American people from foreign invasions, they have a responsibility to do it--AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT, BARACK OBAMA IS NOT GOING TO NEGOTIATE WITH YOU, AND THE LONGER YOU KEEP THE GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN, THE HARDER HIT YOU WILL TAKE AT THE POLLS, SO GO AHEAD AND KEEP ARGUING ABOUT IT, BUT WE--THOSE WHO LIVE ON PLANET EARTH, US HUMANS--ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, SO GO AHEAD AND GET LEFT BEHIND! You see, the best thing you can do right now is admit that you are wrong and move on! .

    P.S. Possession of an automobile is not an essential service; we have a great public transportation infrastructure that the right could focus on improving, instead of fighting this losing battle that goes nowhere!
    Need about a few million LOLs for that shouted rant. Sounds like someone stole your favorite soapbox corner so you brought it here.

    No the government, at least not the federal government, does not have that grant. Obama won't negotiate squat, you are right, the dem leadership will, he'll just be the guy who sets the meeting. He's not proven to be very good at negotiating.

    And stop trying to speak for us humans, we find that laughable.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Old English View Post
    Who cares what Madison said... Barack Obama SAYS it's time to move forward!
    Are you simply being trollish?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Old English View Post
    Who cares what Madison said... Barack Obama SAYS it's time to move forward!
    I see you've found your messiah. You do realise at some point soon he's going to be an ex-president (with a terrible legacy), but James Madison will always be the luminary who wrote the US Constitution that made this country the envy of the world.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I see you've found your messiah. You do realise at some point soon he's going to be an ex-president (with a terrible legacy), but James Madison will always be the luminary who wrote the US Constitution that made this country the envy of the world.
    But James Madison will also be remembered for presiding over the disastrous war of 1812 and allowing the capital building be burned to the ground.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Are you simply being trollish?
    Okay, say what you will, but the point is that Obama stands for principle while the tea party, republicans and libertarians stand against principle! The right are the real looters that Ayn Rand was talking about... Look, I already know every point on the right--I know the right better than the best of them--and I am telling you that by taking this position, the right is contradicting its philosophical/political base. Not only that, I am telling you that the right is solely responsible for the government shutdown and that they will take serious hits on elections for the next couple years due to this.

    Don't believe me? I can tell you what the best move would be for the right! They need to 1) drop this affordable care act repeal business ASAP, and 2) focus on improving our transportation infrastructure, which helps not only citizens but the private sector.

    Game over. Checkmate.

    P.S. I don't even agree with his interpretation of Madison, he is talking about Madison all wrong!
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Old English View Post
    Okay, say what you will, but the point is that Obama stands for principle while the tea party, republicans and libertarians stand against principle! The right are the real looters that Ayn Rand was talking about... Look, I already know every point on the right--I know the right better than the best of them--and I am telling you that by taking this position, the right is contradicting its philosophical/political base. Not only that, I am telling you that the right is solely responsible for the government shutdown and that they will take serious hits on elections for the next couple years due to this.

    Don't believe me? I can tell you what the best move would be for the right! They need to 1) drop this affordable care act repeal business ASAP, and 2) focus on improving our transportation infrastructure, which helps not only citizens but the private sector.

    Game over. Checkmate.

    P.S. I don't even agree with his interpretation of Madison, he is talking about Madison all wrong!
    Listen, each individual leads their life according to their own principles. To say that only one set of principles is the "right way", doesn't show much consideration for your fellow man. Now, for your world to exist, we would need a complete dictatorship...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    But James Madison will also be remembered for presiding over the disastrous war of 1812 and allowing the capital building be burned to the ground.
    Not really. He's been dead and remembered now for centuries, what you detail isn't what folks remember when his name comes up. Author of the Constitution and founder are pretty big deals.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Listen, each individual leads their life according to their own principles. To say that only one set of principles is the "right way", doesn't show much consideration for your fellow man. Now, for your world to exist, we would need a complete dictatorship...
    You can not argue with the facts of this matter: Shutting down the government and risking a default--AND I QUOTE, FROM TODAY'S WASHINGTON POST: "BOEHNER IS DEFIANT AMID RISK OF DEFAULT"--is much worse than allowing the Affordable Care Act to go through as planned! I told you the right is contradicting its base here: I thought they cared about our debt... but here they are risking a default for the sake of a radical faction called the Tea Party! Here they are making impossible demands so that they can say that democrats won't negotiate! And the proof that they are responsible for this is how they voted! Regardless of what they tell you, or how they spin it, or what the Washington Post says, the fact still remains that Shutting down the government and risking a default is WORSE than obamacare, like by far...
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Old English View Post
    You can not argue with the facts of this matter: Shutting down the government and risking a default--AND I QUOTE, FROM TODAY'S WASHINGTON POST: "BOEHNER IS DEFIANT AMID RISK OF DEFAULT"--is much worse than allowing the Affordable Care Act to go through as planned! I told you the right is contradicting its base here: I thought they cared about our debt... but here they are risking a default for the sake of a radical faction called the Tea Party! Here they are making impossible demands so that they can say that democrats won't negotiate! And the proof that they are responsible for this is how they voted! Regardless of what they tell you, or how they spin it, or what the Washington Post says, the fact still remains that Shutting down the government and risking a default is WORSE than obamacare, like by far...
    There can be no default unless the President chooses to do so. The Treasury takes in approximately $225B/month and service on the debt is approximately 1/10 of that amount. Will some other programs not receive payments promptly, absolutely, but to imply that the US will default on its debt is an outright lie...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Aha! That must mean there are more things yet to be shut down!
    Evening Pol, hope all is well with you. On the shutdown, me being a numbers guy, CNN just released their new poll which shows 63% of Americans angry at Republicans, 57% angry at Democrats and 53% angry at President Obama. But more important to me, this poll also included independent voter figures which so far has more or less been an educated guess. Among independents and independents only, 60% are angry at congressional Republicans, 59% angry at congressional Democrats and 58% angry at President Obama.

    As I have been saying all along, both parties are taking the hit and independent voters are blaming both sides equally. I think the rise where it now looks relative even is the president and the senate majority leaders continuing to appear on TV saying they will not negotiate. Who started this fight or who is right or wrong is no longer important to indies, it is appearances and perspectives they are now digesting and having one side saying they refuse to negotiate has brought the Democrats up to almost even in the polls for blame. Never mind it was the rider to defund the ACA that started all of this. That has IMO ceased to be important to them.

    In another poll released this morning it showed 33% blaming the Democrats and the President, 36% blaming the Republicans and 25% blaming both parties. What is interesting from the 3 Oct poll is the Republicans dropped from 44% to 36% as to whom Americans are blaming, the Democrats dropped from 35% to 33%, but those who blamed both parties rose from 17% to 25%.

    The poll just released by CNN confirms that most Americans are moving to blame both parties. Compare these results with the 1996 shutdown where 51% of Americans blamed the Republicans and only 28% blamed Clinton and the Democrats, I would say as far as the public's perception goes, it is a lose, lose situation for both parties at the moment.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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