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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Actually, there are only two entities refusing to come to the table, and one is not the House...
    Aha! That must mean there are more things yet to be shut down!

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    The President asked for a $1,200 Billion clean CR.
    The Repub House offered a $988 Billion CR loaded up with policy riders, their form of filibuster.
    The Senate Dems then agreed with the Hiuse Repub #, only with it clean.
    Guess what? House Repubs then moved the goalposts to $966 Billion.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You are going into details and tangents from what I was discussing.
    Sorry. Didn't mean to do that. Do you know who I might ask?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    The President asked for a $1,200 Billion clean CR.
    The Repub House offered a $988 Billion CR loaded up with policy riders, their form of filibuster.
    The Senate Dems then agreed with the Hiuse Repub #, only with it clean.
    Guess what? House Repubs then moved the goalposts to $966 Billion.
    You appear to be unclear as to what a CR is. It stands for Clean Resolution and no "riders" are possible.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    its clear you have no understanding of the foundering principles, ..what authority does government have to force me to buy a private sector product.

    according to that logic, government can force me to buy a car, every 2,4, or 6 years, and if I don't pay a tax.
    Not only does government have the authority to provide essential services, like protecting the American people from foreign invasions, they have a responsibility to do it--AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT, BARACK OBAMA IS NOT GOING TO NEGOTIATE WITH YOU, AND THE LONGER YOU KEEP THE GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN, THE HARDER HIT YOU WILL TAKE AT THE POLLS, SO GO AHEAD AND KEEP ARGUING ABOUT IT, BUT WE--THOSE WHO LIVE ON PLANET EARTH, US HUMANS--ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, SO GO AHEAD AND GET LEFT BEHIND! You see, the best thing you can do right now is admit that you are wrong and move on! .

    P.S. Possession of an automobile is not an essential service; we have a great public transportation infrastructure that the right could focus on improving, instead of fighting this losing battle that goes nowhere!
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Old English View Post
    Not only does government have the authority to provide essential services, like protecting the American people from foreign invasions, they have a responsibility to do it--AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT, BARACK OBAMA IS NOT GOING TO NEGOTIATE WITH YOU, AND THE LONGER YOU KEEP THE GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN, THE HARDER HIT YOU WILL TAKE AT THE POLLS, SO GO AHEAD AND KEEP ARGUING ABOUT IT, BUT WE--THOSE WHO LIVE ON PLANET EARTH, US HUMANS--ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, SO GO AHEAD AND GET LEFT BEHIND! You see, the best thing you can do right now is admit that you are wrong and move on! .

    P.S. Possession of an automobile is not an essential service; we have a great public transportation infrastructure that the right could focus on improving, instead of fighting this losing battle that goes nowhere!
    Wow.

    You must be a product of modern indoctrination.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Old English View Post
    Not only does government have the authority to provide essential services, like protecting the American people from foreign invasions, they have a responsibility to do it--AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT, BARACK OBAMA IS NOT GOING TO NEGOTIATE WITH YOU, AND THE LONGER YOU KEEP THE GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN, THE HARDER HIT YOU WILL TAKE AT THE POLLS, SO GO AHEAD AND KEEP ARGUING ABOUT IT, BUT WE--THOSE WHO LIVE ON PLANET EARTH, US HUMANS--ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, SO GO AHEAD AND GET LEFT BEHIND! You see, the best thing you can do right now is admit that you are wrong and move on! .

    P.S. Possession of an automobile is not an essential service; we have a great public transportation infrastructure that the right could focus on improving, instead of fighting this losing battle that goes nowhere!
    your incorrect, Madison states clearly that the congress has no authority in the daily life's liberty or property of the American people.

    The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.

    The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.

    The operations of the federal government will be most extensive and important in times of war and danger; those of the State governments, in times of peace and security. As the former periods will probably bear a small proportion to the latter, the State governments will here enjoy another advantage over the federal government. The more adequate, indeed, the federal powers may be rendered to the national defense, the less frequent will be those scenes of danger which might favor their ascendancy over the governments of the particular States.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    your incorrect, Madison states clearly that the congress has no authority in the daily life's liberty or property of the American people.

    The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.

    The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.

    The operations of the federal government will be most extensive and important in times of war and danger; those of the State governments, in times of peace and security. As the former periods will probably bear a small proportion to the latter, the State governments will here enjoy another advantage over the federal government. The more adequate, indeed, the federal powers may be rendered to the national defense, the less frequent will be those scenes of danger which might favor their ascendancy over the governments of the particular States.
    Who cares what Madison said... Barack Obama SAYS it's time to move forward!
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Seriously, the libertarians are so far behind right now.
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