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Thread: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    We were discussing the current mantra of "it's the wealthy that are the problem, and they need to pay more," which is an unusual stance from Obama, who is a multi-millionaire.
    The context was that the teabags want to defund the ACA, to threaten default over the ACA. If the comment that "we are a country of equal opportunity", how is that in opposition to the ACA?

    To answer your question: The ACA, except for the waivers and exemptions that have been granted to some, is certainly an equality of opportunity moment for those who find that they are now required to have insurance.
    Then you concede to my point.


    Do you know how the subsidies are going to be determined for those that don't have the money to pay for it?
    Primarily based on income.

    So?
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    The House is in session, the Senate is in session, and the President is in town. What's missing for a negotiation to take place?
    The interest in doing so, from all concerned? That's just a guess on my part, though.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Because that authority was left to the States...
    That is up to some debate because it was not a explicitly stated power delagates to the states.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Bush jr. had a net LOSS of jobs in his administration. Less people were working when he left than when he started. It was Clinton who created more jobs than Reagan and the 2 Bushes combined.
    When will you liberal start realizing that presidents cannot create jobs? Their voice can influence the job market, but that's it.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    The interest in doing so, from all concerned? That's just a guess on my part, though.
    Actually, there are only two entities refusing to come to the table, and one is not the House...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    That is up to some debate because it was not a explicitly stated power delagates to the states.
    Sorry, no debate - it's called the tenth amendment.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So I am told, looks like the only jobs Obama is creating are part time jobs. You really need to get over your BDS, Bush has been out of office for almost 5 years now and it is amazing that so many people keep trying to compare Obama results to someone they really despise and get frustrated when the Bush numbers are better.
    Consider the population growth and looking at percentages. Jobs are not increasing. They have not kept up wityh population increases of working age.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    I will put it this why, ..when you are born in this world, not you are mandated by law, force to buy private sector product, even though you do not want it.
    WAKE UP!

    If you don't want to buy the product, then you don't have to, just pay the fine! You're entire argument rests on the assumption that the private sector can provide an essential service--HEALTHCARE IS ESSENTIAL; OTHERWISE, DO YOU SUGGEST THAT WE LET PEOPLE DIE IN THE STREETS?--at an affordable cost; however, the evidence shows that the private sector was unable to do this, and that is why we NEED the government to step in! You have to understand that the interests of the private sector contradict the interests of the citizen, so if you want to blame someone, then blame your own selfish, greedy, egotistic world view which forces government to step in, so that you can then complain about it, while providing no better alternative! So how are you going to solve the healthcare problem again? Oh, wait, you can't answer that question because your only answer is the private sector, which has already proven ineffective.
    sad

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    individual mandates, can you show me where the congress has authority over you and I in the u.s. constitution, because I can show you they don't, and even Madison states the same, they have no authority.
    FFS, what interest does an admirer of a NAZI tank commander have in Madison.....and why do you think I am in the least interested in following you down your rabbit hole when it continues to ignore the context?

    go away.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Then why do some state governments oppose abortions, make it impossible for a woman to obtain one? Would that be considered the state implimenting a unwritten mandate that forces women to have a baby they did not want have?
    well by what you posted, your stating a state government. state governments do have some authority in our daily life's, however they cannot infringe on our rights.

    anti- abortions people are not seeking to stop abortions to take away a woman's right to choose, but they see it has a right to life issue, that the unborn have a right, ..so we are dealing with a woman's right to her body issue from the left..... and a right to life issue from the right.

    I myself think abortion is wrong, however that is opinion, and I respect people's right to their own body...because your body is your property according to Madison.

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