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Thread: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    I will put it this why, ..when you are born in this world, not you are mandated by law, force to buy private sector product, even though you do not want it.

    please do not site car insurance......its a poor argument.
    Were you born in a hospital? Would be kinda hard getting cash out of a baby though

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    I will put it this why, ..when you are born in this world, not you are mandated by law, force to buy private sector product, even though you do not want it.

    please do not site car insurance......its a poor argument.
    This is a nearly illegible counter-argument to the individual mandate.....it is not a counter to the point that the ACA brings down restrictions set by insurance corp's, ie, creating equal access.

    Try a little context...OK?
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Were you born in a hospital? Would be kinda hard getting cash out of a baby though
    Pretty easy to get the cash when you tell the parents, no payment, no kid.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    How in the world is the ACA anything but equality of opportunity?
    We were discussing the current mantra of "it's the wealthy that are the problem, and they need to pay more," which is an unusual stance from Obama, who is a multi-millionaire.

    To answer your question: The ACA, except for the waivers and exemptions that have been granted to some, is certainly an equality of opportunity moment for those who find that they are now required to have insurance. Do you know how the subsidies are going to be determined for those that don't have the money to pay for it?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Were you born in a hospital? Would be kinda hard getting cash out of a baby though
    as a citizen I have liberty because of my humanity, how does government have authority to order me to buy a private sector product I do not wish, that goes against our founding principles.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Old English View Post
    Yes, except every point you just made is a lie! If these things are really going to be a problem, then why not wait one year, and then come back with the evidence, at which point we can all reasonably agree to repeal the Affordable care act--THAT IS, UNLESS THE REPUBLICANS KNOW THEIR POINTS ARE LIES, THAT THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT WILL PROVE THEM WRONG, THAT THEY REALLY ONLY CARE ABOUT THEIR ALREADY FAT POCKETBOOKS, AND THAT, LASTLY, THEY ARE ONLY MAKING AN IMPOSSIBLE DEMAND SO THAT THEY CAN SAY DEMOCRATS ARE UNWILLING TO NEGOTIATE!
    Would you point out where I lied? If the President's claim is that 30M people who currently do not have insurance is somewhat accurate, then, by definition, that is a minority, and if you would look at why they don't have it, it is because they cannot afford it in most cases. Now, if they can't currently pay for insurance, what in the hell makes you think they could pay for deductibles and co-pays with no out-of-pocket maximum for 2014?
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    This is a nearly illegible counter-argument to the individual mandate.....it is not a counter to the point that the ACA brings down restrictions set by insurance corp's, ie, creating equal access.

    Try a little context...OK?
    individual mandates, can you show me where the congress has authority over you and I in the u.s. constitution, because I can show you they don't, and even Madison states the same, they have no authority.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    LOL...

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You don't get it, do you? Seems that you lack any understanding of leadership and economic policies fully ignoring the impact on numbers by economic policies and lack of leadership. I have no idea what relevance this chart has?
    LOL...

    Why doesn't that surprise me?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    as a citizen I have liberty because of my humanity, how does government have authority to order me to buy a private sector product I do not wish, that goes against our founding principles.
    Then why do some state governments oppose abortions, make it impossible for a woman to obtain one? Would that be considered the state implimenting a unwritten mandate that forces women to have a baby they did not want have?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Then why do some state governments oppose abortions, make it impossible for a woman to obtain one? Would that be considered the state implimenting a unwritten mandate that forces women to have a baby they did not want have?
    Because that authority was left to the States...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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