CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

jonny5 · Oct 1, 2013

Re: Most would blame Republicans

disneydude said:
I hope reasonable Republicans, along with moderates and Independents are seeing what a sham the GOP has become. Its time for reasonable/moderate Republicans to take back their party from the teabagger fringe.....or abandon their party altogether....because this current mess is what you get when you vote Republican these days. Sad.....

But the people voted in mostly democrats. So wouldnt this be what you get when democrats are in charge?

jonny5 · Oct 1, 2013

Re: Most would blame Republicans

disneydude said:
There is nothing to negotiate. The law passed....the Supreme Court upheld it. Its law. The teabaggers need to accept the fact and move on....America see's right through their games and it will cost the GOP severely.

You don't hold the American people hostage because you don't like the law.....sorry.

Do you feel the same about Citizens United, for example?

disneydude · Oct 1, 2013

Re: Most would blame Republicans

Bronson said:
Yea how dare Americans stand up for The Constitution against Progressive Fascist Tyranny

How are the teabaggers standing up for the Constitution? ......this should be hysterical......

disneydude · Oct 1, 2013

Re: Most would blame Republicans

jonny5 said:
Do you feel the same about Citizens United, for example?

Citizen's United was not congressional action. Completely different. I disagree with the USSC holding in the case, but I wouldn't support shutting down the government. I would hope that Congress will take measures to neuter large corporation funding of our elections.

j-mac · Oct 1, 2013

Re: Most would blame Republicans

disneydude said:
There is nothing to negotiate. The law passed....the Supreme Court upheld it. Its law. The teabaggers need to accept the fact and move on....America see's right through their games and it will cost the GOP severely.

You don't hold the American people hostage because you don't like the law.....sorry.

If the GOP that you envision includes people like Grahm, and McCain then I say good riddance...

j-mac · Oct 1, 2013

Re: Most would blame Republicans

disneydude said:
How are the teabaggers standing up for the Constitution? ......this should be hysterical......

If you don't know, likelyhood is you will never learn....Now just sit there and accept that teabagging....

disneydude · Oct 1, 2013

Re: Most would blame Republicans

j-mac said:
If the GOP that you envision includes people like Grahm, and McCain then I say good riddance...

and when it includes fools like Palin, Cruz, Ryan, Rubio....you can say good riddance to independents, moderates and reasonable Republicans. I hope and pray that the GOP continues to take the direction that you urge. That would be great news for Democrats and for the Country.

disneydude · Oct 1, 2013

Re: Most would blame Republicans

j-mac said:
If you don't know, likelyhood is you will never learn....Now just sit there and accept that teabagging....

Seriously.....is that the best you can do? That's almost as lame as Senator "I do not like green eggs and ham" Cruz "filibuster".

Bronson · Oct 1, 2013

Re: Most would blame Republicans

disneydude said:
How are the teabaggers standing up for the Constitution? ......this should be hysterical......

Maybe if you actually put your crayons down and READ The Constitution, you'd understand.

It's not my job to educate and inform you. If you want to remain ignorant, beclowning yourself all over these forums screaming "teabagger" at anyone who opposes your fascist leader, then feel free to do that, but I don't really bother with desperate fools whose only barb left is an insult that has long since passed it's expiration date.

j-mac · Oct 1, 2013

Re: Most would blame Republicans

disneydude said:
and when it includes fools like Palin, Cruz, Ryan, Rubio....you can say good riddance to independents, moderates and reasonable Republicans. I hope and pray that the GOP continues to take the direction that you urge. That would be great news for Democrats and for the Country.

A "reasonable Republican" to you is one that conspires with destructive liberal progressives to destroy liberty....That's why you hate those people you named, because they expose that.

j-mac · Oct 1, 2013

Re: Most would blame Republicans

disneydude said:
Seriously.....is that the best you can do? That's almost as lame as Senator "I do not like green eggs and ham" Cruz "filibuster".

How do they taste? heh,heh....

disneydude · Oct 1, 2013

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j-mac said:
A "reasonable Republican" to you is one that conspires with destructive liberal progressives to destroy liberty....That's why you hate those people you named, because they expose that.

Not at all. A "reasonable Republican" is one who brings ideas to the table, ideas that I might disagree with, but one who is willing to work through the democratic process. As opposed to the teabagging wackos who want to hold America hostage when they don't get their way.

disneydude · Oct 1, 2013

Re: Most would blame Republicans

j-mac said:
How do they taste? heh,heh....

I take it you're a teabagger?

BTW....I don't have much of a taste for teabagging....and America apparently doesn't either.

j-mac · Oct 1, 2013

Re: Most would blame Republicans

disneydude said:
Not at all. A "reasonable Republican" is one who brings ideas to the table, ideas that I might disagree with, but one who is willing to work through the democratic process. As opposed to the teabagging wackos who want to hold America hostage when they don't get their way.

You can't work "reasonably" when the other side is unwilling to negotiate honestly.

I take it you're a teabagger?

BTW....I don't have much of a taste for teabagging....and America apparently doesn't either.

Not registered, or a contributor no, but I have attended one of their rallies in my area....You may not have a taste for it, but you sure do have a taste for childish name calling tactics....I bet you snicker everytime you get to type that don't you?....:roll:

disneydude · Oct 1, 2013

Re: Most would blame Republicans

j-mac said:
You can't work "reasonably" when the other side is unwilling to negotiate honestly.

Not registered, or a contributor no, but I have attended one of their rallies in my area....You may not have a taste for it, but you sure do have a taste for childish name calling tactics....I bet you snicker everytime you get to type that don't you?....:roll:

LOL.....there is nothing to negotiate....that's what the teabaggers are missing. They are attempting to hold America hostage. The ACA passed both houses of Congress.....it was signed into law.....it was upheld by the United States Supreme Court. Now....because they don't like it....the teabaggers want to hold America hostage and attempt to "negotiate"? Sorry....but that ploy doesn't fly...and isn't flying with the American public.

j-mac · Oct 1, 2013

Re: Most would blame Republicans

disneydude said:
LOL.....there is nothing to negotiate....that's what the teabaggers are missing. They are attempting to hold America hostage. The ACA passed both houses of Congress.....it was signed into law.....it was upheld by the United States Supreme Court. Now....because they don't like it....the teabaggers want to hold America hostage and attempt to "negotiate"? Sorry....but that ploy doesn't fly...and isn't flying with the American public.

Yep, that's the talking point from Crissy Hissy fit Matthews on MSNBC all right...You have almost word for word, congratulations...Too bad it is a lie.

fmw · Oct 1, 2013

Re: Most would blame Republicans

head of joaquin said:
Yep, the biggest recession in 70 years, followed by GOP obstructionism has caused problems for 5 years.

Why do you find that suprising? It's the result the GOP wanted.

Now that is humorous.

disneydude · Oct 1, 2013

Re: Most would blame Republicans

j-mac said:
Yep, that's the talking point from Crissy Hissy fit Matthews on MSNBC all right...You have almost word for word, congratulations...Too bad it is a lie.

Really? Maybe he got it from me then......although I doubt it...its just pretty simply the fact. The Teabaggers are attempting a last ditch effort to destroy the ACA. They aren't interested in honest negotiations...no one except an utter fool would believe that....and again....there isn't anything to negotiate. They are willing to shut down the government and hold America hostage in order to try to force "negotiating" something that there is nothing to negotiate about. That is what a terrorist does....not what a congressman does....and the American people, if you haven't noticed....are summarily rejecting these terrorist-type ploys. Congratulations though....the tea party is doing more to destroy the GOP than the Democrats could ever do.

j-mac · Oct 1, 2013

Re: Most would blame Republicans

disneydude said:
Really? Maybe he got it from me then......although I doubt it...its just pretty simply the fact. The Teabaggers are attempting a last ditch effort to destroy the ACA. They aren't interested in honest negotiations...no one except an utter fool would believe that....and again....there isn't anything to negotiate. They are willing to shut down the government and hold America hostage in order to try to force "negotiating" something that there is nothing to negotiate about. That is what a terrorist does....not what a congressman does....and the American people, if you haven't noticed....are summarily rejecting these terrorist-type ploys. Congratulations though....the tea party is doing more to destroy the GOP than the Democrats could ever do.

Wow, that is some real twisted logic you have going on there.

disneydude · Oct 1, 2013

Re: Most would blame Republicans

j-mac said:
Wow, that is some real twisted logic you have going on there.

Too bad for you that the American people see the truth on this one.....by overwhelming numbers.

j-mac · Oct 1, 2013

Re: Most would blame Republicans

disneydude said:
Too bad for you that the American people see the truth on this one.....by overwhelming numbers.

And I am one of them that doesn't like the shutdown, as a general rule to force these idiots to do their jobs. But, let's not be fooled into whom is causing this....

If you have two sides, and one side is feverishly trying to offer different things to avoid something bad, and the other is just intransigent, and obstinate on taking any action at all, then any reasonable person knows it is the side not offering anything that is the cause of the problem.

disneydude · Oct 1, 2013

Re: Most would blame Republicans

j-mac said:
And I am one of them that doesn't like the shutdown, as a general rule to force these idiots to do their jobs. But, let's not be fooled into whom is causing this....

If you have two sides, and one side is feverishly trying to offer different things to avoid something bad, and the other is just intransigent, and obstinate on taking any action at all, then any reasonable person knows it is the side not offering anything that is the cause of the problem.

Are you serious? That is akin to a kidnapper "working feverishly" trying to offer different things to "negotiate" a resolution. There is NOTHING to negotiate here. That is what you are missing. The ACA was PASSED INTO LAW....by BOTH houses of Congress. It was signed into law. It was UPHELD BY THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES. Period. Now the teabaggers, because everything else has failed, are putting a gun to America's head and saying unless you negotiate what is now the law....we are going to shut down the government. It is gamesmanship at its worst and fortunately, America sees right through this ploy and isn't buying it. There is nothing to negotiate here. Why would we ever negotiate with a kidnapper or a terrorist? Essentially that is the type of situation we have here. Sorry Charlie.....

j-mac · Oct 1, 2013

Re: Most would blame Republicans

disneydude said:
Are you serious? That is akin to a kidnapper "working feverishly" trying to offer different things to "negotiate" a resolution. There is NOTHING to negotiate here. That is what you are missing. The ACA was PASSED INTO LAW....by BOTH houses of Congress. It was signed into law. It was UPHELD BY THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES. Period. Now the teabaggers, because everything else has failed, are putting a gun to America's head and saying unless you negotiate what is now the law....we are going to shut down the government. It is gamesmanship at its worst and fortunately, America sees right through this ploy and isn't buying it. There is nothing to negotiate here. Why would we ever negotiate with a kidnapper or a terrorist? Essentially that is the type of situation we have here. Sorry Charlie.....

We don't live in a dictatorship here in the US...Much as you'd like it to be so. Sorry Charlie yourself.

disneydude · Oct 1, 2013

Re: Most would blame Republicans

j-mac said:
We don't live in a dictatorship here in the US...Much as you'd like it to be so. Sorry Charlie yourself.

Doh!....are you serious? How is a bill passing both houses of a democratically elected Congress, signed into law...and upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States after a Constitutional challenge akin to a "dictatorship"?

Lord of Planar · Oct 1, 2013

Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Fenton said:
or they could shut down the Government, and people will start to realize that it has little to no effect on them.

That's what I find ironic.

There will be almost nothing noticed in everyone's day to day lives.