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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Polls are crap. Ask the right question. Who is more to blame...Congressional republicans or Congressional democrats? Throwing Obama into the mix is just the kind of idiocy and dishonesty that shows how corrupt polls are.

    I will bet money that a large number of the ****heads that blame republicans dont have a clue what the issues are. They are the same mindless twats that support Obamacare without knowing what it is they are supporting (and yes...that goes for the mindless jagoffs that blame Obama just because he is Obama).

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    I've seen most of what you stated on the Military Channel. The RepubLies are trying to preempt the blame game as we saw with 25 of these louses trash Reid yesterday. Dems should wake up and realize that they are not above this shooting the messenger garbage. As before the 2010 elections.
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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Polls are crap when they say Obama is leading in the 2012 election. Those same polls are crap now.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Polls are crap when they say Obama is leading in the 2012 election. Those same polls are crap now.
    Of course, polls are crap especially those showing Obama with a 44% JAR and yet people claiming the GOP will be responsible for a Govt. shutdown. You see, those same people in that 44% group still are seeking credible sites to show us all how great Obama has been the past 5 years. It sure is taking time to come up with those sites to counter bls.gov, bea.gov, and the Treasury data.

    Still trying to figure out why such loyalty to Obama and his failed economic policies. Is it really your goal to have this country become a European socialist model? Seems that the only people wanting that are the ones that cannot compete or sell their ideas to others thus need a massive central govt. to do it for them.

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Of course, polls are crap especially those showing Obama with a 44% JAR and yet people claiming the GOP will be responsible for a Govt. shutdown. You see, those same people in that 44% group still are seeking credible sites to show us all how great Obama has been the past 5 years. It sure is taking time to come up with those sites to counter bls.gov, bea.gov, and the Treasury data.

    Still trying to figure out why such loyalty to Obama and his failed economic policies. Is it really your goal to have this country become a European socialist model? Seems that the only people wanting that are the ones that cannot compete or sell their ideas to others thus need a massive central govt. to do it for them.
    have you seen the approval ratings of congress?

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    have you seen the approval ratings of congress?
    Not sure Congressional approval ratings matter since Congressional elections are local not national, but then again they serve the purpose of those who don't understand that. You think my Representative gives a damn what the people of NY think of him? The President however is a national office or didn't you know that?

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    I'm going to break this up a little because you ask several different questions, and have different situations involved...

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    Help me understand this.
    What is it that the democrats are asking for, what is the "way" that they are demanding?
    The demo's are not asking anything, they are demanding that repubs cave, and pass funding of the government in total, as long as raise the debt ceiling to what they ask for without a fight.

    IMHO, "their" way is simply the law...
    It is the law, on that fact you are correct. However, everything surrounding this law, from the way it was crafted, to the way it was passed was corrupt, and totally one sided. Now when the American people voted for people in congress to give congress back to repubs, the demo's only see that as useful when they want to place blame for not being able to do something, but other than that, I am sure they would love it if repubs would just sit there and rubber stamp what they want to do.

    There were endless negotiations and compromises, don't you remember how much time it took to pass it? That was negotiation and compromise.
    No that is not how it happened. Their problems in passing the turd were from within...

    Do you believe that congress can go back and say "we don't like the law we passed, let's talk about it again...
    Yes, reference the 1988 Catastrophic Care law....It was repealed one year later.

    ...and if you don't revisit it the govt will shut down."
    Read the Constitution, "All spending originates in the House of Representatives." Like it or not, that is the way it is.

    We spent many months debating ACA, now they want to defund it in 2 or 3 days?
    That is not true, repubs have been working on this since the day it was rammed down our throats.

    How is this different than Democrats saying "we weren't able to pass the gun control laws we wanted after Newtown, so we're going to attach them to a spending bill, and if it doesn't pass, the govt will shut down. Republicans must negotiate or the shutdown is their fault."
    Again, that constitutional thingy....repubs hold the house so the attacking the 2nd amendment wouldn't fly. Hell, I am not even sure you could get it within the demo party either.

    Is that not a reasonable analogy?
    No.

    I honestly do not get the rationale for this being anyone's responsibility but the republicans.
    Thank you.
    Because if the demo's really were serious about compromise, they would say, well, we won't delay it for a year, but we will start with say, 90 days while we put together a bi partisan panel to look at what needs to be changed with the understanding that it has to be a serious look at implementation. Instead what they just keep saying is 'MY WAY, OR NO WAY!

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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    I'll be honest, I didn't expect you to reply with 10 hours of derp. But come on man, even Cruz can derp for 21 hours+.
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    Re: Most would blame Republicans

    If I was to take a wild prognostication at this very moment as to what political damage a shut down would do...

    Congress', as a whole, approval rating will go (as much as it can as low as it is)
    Obama's approval rating will go down
    Because Obama is not running for re-election, it will not do him much political harm and won't have a large layover on the next Democratic presidential nominee
    If a senator/congressman runs for President in the GOP, it will help them in the primary if they supported it but likely damage them a bit in the general
    I think you'll see a number of Republicans losing primary battles regardless, and a number of them losing general elections if it does pass
    I think you'll also see some Democrats lose seats over this passing, both from unhappy constituents and from a reinvigorated republican base
    I think the maintaining of Obamacare will be used as a weapon to damage some Democrats in purple areas well.

    Overall I see this process having a larger chance of electoral damage to the Republicans than the Democrats in the short term but by a small margin, but having the potential for long term positive for the Republican Party in terms of possibly shifting some new blood in place of the "establishment" stalwarts.

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