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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Um, you brought up Bush as the model of job growth.

    Here's how that argument looks.

    You: Bush was way better than Obama
    Me: Bush's number aren't actually that good.
    You: You have Bush Derangement syndrome, stop bringing up Bush.
    Me: Sigh....
    Uh, no I didn't I answered the question raised about Bush's job growth which is better than Obama's yet liberals want to divert from that Obama record. Suggest you read a little more and post a little less for you would see who I am responding to. Might make things a little easier for you to understand. Obamabots buy what they are told and ignore the Obama economic results today but that doesn't stop them from diverting to Bush. I will always set the record straight and do so with actual verifiable numbers. Here are the employment numbers for both Bush and Obama

    Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
    Original Data Value

    Series Id: LNS12000000
    Seasonally Adjusted
    Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
    Labor force status: Employed
    Type of data: Number in thousands
    Age: 16 years and over
    Years: 1980 to 2013

    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
    2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
    2002 135701 136438 136177 136126 136539 136415 136413 136705 137302 137008 136521 136426
    2003 137417 137482 137434 137633 137544 137790 137474 137549 137609 137984 138424 138411
    2004 138472 138542 138453 138680 138852 139174 139556 139573 139487 139732 140231 140125
    2005 140245 140385 140654 141254 141609 141714 142026 142434 142401 142548 142499 142752
    2006 143150 143457 143741 143761 144089 144353 144202 144625 144815 145314 145534 145970
    2007 146028 146057 146320 145586 145903 146063 145905 145682 146244 145946 146595 146273
    2008 146378 146156 146086 146132 145908 145737 145532 145203 145076 144802 144100 143369
    2009 142153 141644 140721 140652 140250 140005 139898 139481 138810 138421 138665 138025
    2010 138439 138624 138767 139296 139255 139148 139167 139405 139388 139097 139046 139295
    2011 139253 139471 139643 139606 139681 139405 139509 139870 140164 140314 140771 140896
    2012 141608 142019 142020 141934 142302 142448 142250 142164 142974 143328 143277 143305
    2013 143322 143492 143286 143579 143898 144058 144285 144170

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    In my opinion: you're delusional to 'blame' Democrats or Republicans for anything.

    They are puppets playing a show to keep us distracted from the 'money masters' and THEIR TRUE intents. (global economic hegemony)

    Until you acknowledge this historical | modern reality you're analysis can't possibly be correct.

    Politicians are spokesmen for private interest. Private interest can be summed up as the corporate financial system running the money system through the IMF, World Bank, ECB, Fed, etc.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What debts is Congress refusing to pay, do you even know? Because Obama said it you believe it? Name for me the debt that the Congress refuses to pay?
    Quite a few. Unlike you, I read stuff other than Fox News.

    Debt ceiling: Understanding what's at stake - CBS News

    If the government runs low on cash, it will have to withhold a range of payments. Retirees might not get their Social Security checks, especially worrisome for the millions of Americans who depend almost entirely on the social insurance program for income. The same goes for Medicare and Medicaid recipients. Holders of Treasury notes, from Wall Street and other global banks to foreign governments, also could get stiffed, jeopardizing the solvency of many financial institutions and choking off global credit flows.

    The U.S. also would struggle to pay the interest on its debt, including a $6 billion payout due at the end of the month. At that point, the U.S. would be in default of its obligations.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Old English View Post
    You see, like Obama said, we have the ability to re-open the government right now, and if we have the ability to do it, then why aren't we doing it? This has nothing to do with funding, we are currently reducing the deficits, thereby solving all of your fiscal concerns: Rome Wasn't built in a day; however, the right wants to make sure it never gets built.

    The right has contradicted their entire political/philosophical base on this one. You see, now we can all see clearly that the right doesn't stand for principle; they stand against those who have principle, like Barack Obama: THEY ARE THE REAL LOOTERS THAT AYN RAND WAS TALKING ABOUT!
    Yep, we know that Obama never lies, all he has to do is sign the House CR and the govt. will reopen.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Quite a few. Unlike you, I read stuff other than Fox News.

    Debt ceiling: Understanding what's at stake - CBS News
    The govt. running low on cash needs to stop spending. Do you understand how much cash goes into the govt. each and every day? The debt service is 250 billion dollars or 12 billion a month. We take in about 2.7 trillion dollars a year which is over 200 billion a month so please tell me where the shortfall is in paying debt service on the debt?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What was the difference in 2006 and today? Since leadership was an issue then why isn't it an issue today and leadership begins with Obama or should I say lack of leadership? We have a 17 trillion dollar debt and the debt limit doesn't need to increase at all, simply cut spending.
    Ah....rambling nonsense that still avoids my question.

    Why do you always ask so many questions....but cannot answer one? What is it about the teabag ideology that causes such avoidance?

    If you want a reduction in debt, then support efforts to get people back to work. Furloughs do not do this. More layoffs do not create more jobs.

    By the way, I am all for cutting the biggest item in discretionary spending.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yep, we know that Obama never lies, all he has to do is sign the House CR and the govt. will reopen.
    Well, I'm just letting you know that the Tea Party is making conservatives look bad; I know because I used to be a conservative--in fact I voted for Mitt Romney--but now, seeing how they are fighting Obamacare, not only will I vote for democratic sweeps on every ballot--I was going to vote for Cucchinelli too, but now McAuliffe--I have convinced my mother, father, and brother to do the same. If you want to keep supporting a faction that is destroying your party's chances at the polls then go ahead, but you are only lying to yourself!

    You must realize that the Tea Party is a sinking ship that is content to bring down the GOP with it!
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Carry on, Gimme, as usual a waste of time. none of what you posted proves anything I stated was wrong so what you do is post words that say nothing and prove nothing other than liberalism has someone like you supporting their failed economic policies.
    Ironic rambling.

    I just showed you stating that not only was the 2009 budget Bush's, but that the CR' were based on PREVIOUS Bush budgets.

    You proved me right....and I didn't force you to.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    It could be argued--and probably will be--that Congress refusing to honor the debts legally incurred by the USA is a violation of the 14th.
    So, I would suggest the Senate avoid doing that. Why do you think the Senate leadership is willing to ignore the Constitutional mandate they swore to uphold?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Ah....rambling nonsense that still avoids my question.

    Why do you always ask so many questions....but cannot answer one? What is it about the teabag ideology that causes such avoidance?

    If you want a reduction in debt, then support efforts to get people back to work. Furloughs do not do this. More layoffs do not create more jobs.

    By the way, I am all for cutting the biggest item in discretionary spending.
    What you ignore is what Senator Obama said in 2006 vs. what he is saying today. in 2006 the debt to GDP ratio was somewhere around 60% today it is over 100%. Today we are taking in over 200 billion dollars a month, debt service is about 20 billion a month so we aren't going to default on our debt but that doesn't stop people who support Obama from buying the lies.

    There is a major reason today to not raise the debt ceiling and fund what we have to fund and cut everything else because of the high debt exceeding GDP. Obama condemned leadership for their failure in 2006 and ignores his own lack of leadership now.

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