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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Old English View Post
    I mean, they act like the private sector is the answer to all of our problems: The Private sector is not going to help you with anything; they are going to try and hire you at the lowest possible wage they can, giving you the least possible amount of benefits, so that they can make more money; look, the natural interests of the private sector contradict the interests of the middle class! Wake up folks, if the private sector is run by a minority, and the majority is dependent on them, then helping the private sector triumph against the middle class is the wrong thing to do!, which is exactly what the tea party is doing with the affordable care act: they are holding jobs and progress hostage to get their way!
    Yep, you nailed it and those employers are going to hold a gun to your head and make you take that job. They aren't even going to tell you what you are going to make before taking that job. Those damn evil private sector employers who should invest their own money, take all that risk and then pay you whatever salary you think you deserve.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So that statement was made by Obama?
    Yes it was. quizzmaster.

    You did not answer me.....how does his inconsequential statement justify the teabaggers actions of stopping the budget process and threaten a default?

    or keep dancing....the choice is yours.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    One more note on this comment, I previously showed that IF you want to argue from a fiscal/budget year standpoint, Bush shows a NEGATIVE non-farm job growth during his terms.
    You have made a lot of wild accusations as well including that Bush gave Obama a trillion dollar deficit with his budget which of course is a lie. The Bush budget for fiscal year 2009 was signed by Obama in 2009 making the entire 2009 deficit his. The original Bush budget had less than 500 billion in deficits projected and the CR's that got us through the first 6 months o fiscal year 2009 were based upon 2008 budget numbers. In addition TARP was charged as an expense and the credit somehow never got back to reducing the deficit, wonder why?

    Love it when people like you always compare Bush, who most of your political persuasion detest, to Obama and seem to think that justifies Obama's numbers. What it does show however is how poorly informed and what poor logic and common sense Obamabots have.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Yes, the House has failed to show leadership.
    2 new polls back that up:

    1) Here is the new WaPo poll.

    2) Here is the new Pew poll.

    The GOP is clearly losing this fight, which is going to spell disaster if Democrats take back the House next year. If that happens, you can blame it all on the GOP listening to extremists. The mainstream rank and file needs to take their party back. If they don't, then it's curtains for the GOP for at least several election cycles.
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Yes it was. quizzmaster.

    You did not answer me.....how does his inconsequential statement justify the teabaggers actions of stopping the budget process and threaten a default?

    or keep dancing....the choice is yours.
    You do understand that spending bills begin in the House, the House passed a CR and the Senate rejected it, the Senate therefore shutdown the govt. You don't seem to understand among other things how the budget process even works.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Uh, because tying a debt ceiling bill to repealing a law that is already on the books is unprecedented.
    Perhaps you should re-read my post. Lots of things have been unprecedented when it comes to the unilateral passing of Obamacare, but it hasn't been shown to be un-Constitutional.

    The question was, what has the House done that is unconstitutional? In consideration of your post, it appears you believe nothing has been done that is unconstitutional, since you chose not to comment on that primary point.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    2 new polls back that up:

    1) Here is the new WaPo poll.

    2) Here is the new Pew poll.

    The GOP is clearly losing this fight, which is going to spell disaster if Democrats take back the House next year. If that happens, you can blame it all on the GOP listening to extremists. The mainstream rank and file needs to take their party back. If they don't, then it's curtains for the GOP for at least several election cycles.
    Wonderful, so does that mean you will be voting against my House Representative? Love it, poll numbers on the House!! Why do poll numbers on local Representative matter?

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yep, you nailed it and those employers are going to hold a gun to your head and make you take that job. They aren't even going to tell you what you are going to make before taking that job. Those damn evil private sector employers who should invest their own money, take all that risk and then pay you whatever salary you think you deserve.
    Yeah, man, it's crazy. I got hired and the manager didn't even give me a salary; however, I did need to take the job and show up the next day at 6AM for work because, not only are jobs hard to come by nowadays, but also, at the end of the day, I don't have a choice: I have bills to pay. So, while you are trying to be sarcastic, your sarcasm rings true! By the way this is a true story: this is how it works in the REAL WORLD, not the philosophical, ideological world, but the real world! Please take off your bourgeois blinders!
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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You have made a lot of wild accusations as well including that Bush gave Obama a trillion dollar deficit with his budget which of course is a lie.
    A lie and a total falsehood.

    The Bush budget for fiscal year 2009 was signed by Obama in 2009 making the entire 2009 deficit his.
    Again, you show a complete lack of budget understanding.


    The original Bush budget had less than 500 billion in deficits projected
    Um, since when did "projections"...become "results"?

    Still dancing!!

    and the CR's that got us through the first 6 months o fiscal year 2009 were based upon 2008 budget numbers.
    Oh....you mean previous Bush budget numbers?

    Wow.

    In addition TARP was charged as an expense and the credit somehow never got back to reducing the deficit, wonder why?
    Dude, you lost that discussion long ago.....when you disowned TARP. If you don't want the debt, don't claim the receipts.

    Love it when people like you always compare Bush, who most of your political persuasion detest, to Obama and seem to think that justifies Obama's numbers. What it does show however is how poorly informed and what poor logic and common sense Obamabots have.
    I was never "justifying" any numbers, or massaging them, or spinning them....that is your job which you do poorly. i'm just taking your arguments, posting the truth, and contrasting them.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

    Quote Originally Posted by Old English View Post
    Yeah, man, it's crazy. I got hired and the manager didn't even give me a salary; however, I did need to take the job and show up the next day at 6AM for work because, not only are jobs hard to come by nowadays, but also, at the end of the day, I don't have a choice: I have bills to pay. So, while you are trying to be sarcastic, your sarcasm rings true! By the way this is a true story: this is how it works in the REAL WORLD, not the philosophical, ideological world, but the real world! Please take off your bourgeois blinders!
    You are so right, I had 1200 employees and they all came to work for me without knowing what they were going to be paid and I held a gun to their head forcing them to take the job. Too bad I could only force 50% of them to take the health insurance I offered. Guess they must have seen that the gun wasn't really loaded

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