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    Re: George H.W. Bush serves as witness at same-sex wedding

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Or maybe they are just friends with the couple.
    Exactly!!!!
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    Re: George H.W. Bush serves as witness at same-sex wedding

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Or maybe they are just friends with the couple.
    Maybe, but one could be in attendance of such an occasion and still not be an official witness to it. The motivation behind this IMO goes deeper than what you suggest. Users and makers........movers and shakers

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    Re: George H.W. Bush serves as witness at same-sex wedding

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Maybe, but one could be in attendance of such an occasion and still not be an official witness to it. The motivation behind this IMO goes deeper than what you suggest. Users and makers........movers and shakers
    Yeah you're probably right it is all contrived and they probably got their orders from illuminati HQ.

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    Re: George H.W. Bush serves as witness at same-sex wedding

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Yeah you're probably right it is all contrived and they probably got their orders from illuminati HQ.
    Maybe I am a bit cynical but after reading analysis on Karl Rove's playbook on how to run a winning campaign I see the same plays happening within the Republican establishment going on right now. Much of winning the nomination is through perceptions and mind games long before the horse race begins. Heck Rove, a part of the Republican establishment, is still using the same tactics against Conservatives and Libertarians within the Republican party. One example in his playbook is to attack your opponent over his strengths to put him on defense. We seen that happen the last couple of weeks play out in the Senate over the health care bill.

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    Re: George H.W. Bush serves as witness at same-sex wedding

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I think that this sort of thing shows that most politicians, on either side of the aisle, aren't really so rabid about a lot of the social issues. Probably most of congress doesn't care about things like gay rights one way or the other. But their voters do. On one hand, it's a little nice to see that these elected (or former elected) leaders really do have some decent morality, but then it's saddening to see that they have to cater to a large enough demographic of bigots to affect policy.
    Which is exactly why it is so refreshing on the very rare occasion that I find a politician I can actually vote for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Which is exactly why it is so refreshing on the very rare occasion that I find a politician I can actually vote for.
    I hope you never find one ever again.
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    Re: George H.W. Bush serves as witness at same-sex wedding

    Even though the reps want to minimalize the effects of such a thing, the reality is that it is a stark change from the norm. The fact is that prejudice against a certain group often falls upon those who are not part of the group but who do not run away from that group. The reason for that is because the prejudice have to destroy any support or acceptance of a group and let people know there will be social consequences for just being normal with those people. Yes, bush Sr. Is retired and there is not any danger to his political career for doing such a thing so it is easier, but there certainly used to be fallout for a person who would even consider attending a gay wedding because the opponents likened it to an endorsement rather than just simply enjoying a friend's wedding.

    The reality is that the anti-gays are losing faster and faster. Yes, in order to maintain the fear of retribution to allies for being at a gay wedding they have to pretend it is not a failure of their group to ridicule and ostracize a person for attending a wedding. The reality is it shows another step in the collapse of the anti-gay efforts in the US. When people no longer suffer consequences for befriending and associating with gays more and more of the people will do it. As they do it they will find gay people can be enjoyable and good friends just like anyone else and this will further corrupt the absolutes of hatred toward gays. Sorry to the anti-gay people, but if you do not maintain the fear of retribution for association with a group you will lose harder and harder as people more readily recognize that group as human beings and valuable members of the community. You have to attack the allies because with a minority they are the ones who will bring a majority of support. This is a good thing to see a very right wing person be strong and participate with friends and to not take retribution for it will embolden others who may fear the consequences to their lives for admitting they feel gays should not be discriminated against. You can try to minimalize it's meaning for yourself, but it's effects will not be minimalized for the people who it truly does matter with.

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    Re: George H.W. Bush serves as witness at same-sex wedding

    I don't see a problem in what Bush 1 did...If I had a very good friend and she or he wanted to join ties and if it were a Civil Union I would definitely go to the ceremony
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    Re: George H.W. Bush serves as witness at same-sex wedding

    Bush 1 was always a Moderate.....He was never a Conservative.
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