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    Re: Syrian Rebel Groups Slam Western-backed Opposition.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    They're pretty much all Islamist, we're discussing Syria. Not all Islamists are extremists.

    I criticized your presenting it as fact and as if it supported your position. I also criticized believing it (a private, profit and PR based company) over the word of the State Department. Nonetheless, it seems you've finally come to realize that it supports the SoS's claim and so you have decided to abandon it.

    The report was clear and supported the SoS's claim. Perhaps you should try reading it again.
    Uh yeah, its about those Islamists inside Syria, not to difficult to remember.....I mean if you need to say so to remind yourself. I don't have a problem with it. Also the Islamists backers that come from outside Syria who have jumped off into the mix. Such as the MB and the Salafists, the Saud and the Qataris.

    No I didn't abandon it......which the IHS Jane Report also discussed the Alleged Moderates and what the real picture looked like. Despite you believing that just because they say moderate that this clears them from anything having to do with Sharia Law. Course you have a tendency to not notice all the little parts, while worrying about Human Rights in a conflict.

    Again the descriptor doesn't support Kerry's Claim over the discussion over those levels of moderation by the All the Islamists.....and Kerry lowballing it to 15% should have gave you the clue.

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    Re: Syrian Rebel Groups Slam Western-backed Opposition.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Uh yeah
    Again the descriptor doesn't support Kerry's Claim over the discussion over those levels of moderation by the All the Islamists.....and Kerry lowballing it to 15% should have gave you the clue.
    What percentage do you claim and by what source presenting those numbers?

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    Re: Syrian Rebel Groups Slam Western-backed Opposition.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Uh yeah, its about those Islamists inside Syria, not to difficult to remember..
    Perhaps the problem is your inability to differentiate between Islamist and Islamist extremist. Is that why you don't understand the report's (or any) macro numbers about this? If you equate Islamist with extremist, then I can see how you might think nearly all Syrians are whack-jobs.

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    Re: Syrian Rebel Groups Slam Western-backed Opposition.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What percentage do you claim and by what source presenting those numbers?
    I doubt any can say the MB, Salafists, the Saud and Qataris aren't the driving force and backers outside of Syria.

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    Re: Syrian Rebel Groups Slam Western-backed Opposition.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Perhaps the problem is your inability to differentiate between Islamist and Islamist extremist. Is that why you don't understand the report's (or any) macro numbers about this? If you equate Islamist with extremist, then I can see how you might think nearly all Syrians are whack-jobs.
    Nah, it has to do with understanding the whole content as to what was discussed concerning the Islamists and Moderates inside Syria. Which clearly you have forgotten or are lacking.

    Meanwhile.....those Christians and Kurds that the Sunni like to massacre. Are Syrians to.....and have more of Right to have a say about things. Then the Saud and the Qataris or the MB and Salafists. Yet no one is listening to them.

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    Re: Syrian Rebel Groups Slam Western-backed Opposition.....

    This development is no real surprise. Despite more than 2 1/2 years to do so, the anti-Assad movement has not committed itself to inclusive, democratic governance. That omission is not accidental. That some in the movement are adding specificity in terms of where it stands illustrates that the civil war is merely a sectarian conflict. It is not a democratic uprising.
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    Re: Syrian Rebel Groups Slam Western-backed Opposition.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The SNC has never accepted Islamist extremist groups. It wants democracy, not totalitarian Sharia law. These extremists "slamming" the SNC have never been invited to join.
    The SNC is merely one of many factions involved in the uprising. Moreover, it has not issued any formal manifestos or communiques specifically embracing democratic government.

    The National Coalition of Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces | Local coordination committees of Syria

    Its statement of aims refers to "freedom," but in the Mideast (and elsewhere), "freedom" has not always been viewed from a standpoint of democratic, inclusive governance. No specific content has been provided in terms of actual political governance. Moreover, the statement does not rule out Sharia or some other political Islamist arrangement.

    Finally, it is not even clear that the SNC has the capability to assert jurisdiction over the multi-faction opposition movement. It's one actor.

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    Re: Syrian Rebel Groups Slam Western-backed Opposition.....

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The SNC is merely one of many factions involved in the uprising. Moreover, it has not issued any formal manifestos or communiques specifically embracing democratic government.

    The National Coalition of Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces | Local coordination committees of Syria

    Its statement of aims refers to "freedom," but in the Mideast (and elsewhere), "freedom" has not always been viewed from a standpoint of democratic, inclusive governance. No specific content has been provided in terms of actual political governance. Moreover, the statement does not rule out Sharia or some other political Islamist arrangement.

    Finally, it is not even clear that the SNC has the capability to assert jurisdiction over the multi-faction opposition movement. It's one actor.
    Heya DS.....well it is clear the UN doesn't see the SNC as the ruling Government of Syria, they are dealing with Assad. Seems they only have a few that Officially recognized them.

    It is also clear that the FSA and SNC.....wont be able to handle those in the North.

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    Re: Syrian Rebel Groups Slam Western-backed Opposition.....

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The SNC is merely one of many factions involved in the uprising.
    The SNC is the recognized representation of the people of Syria by most of the Western world.

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    Re: Syrian Rebel Groups Slam Western-backed Opposition.....

    Heya DS.....yes still many of factions. Not to mention there is a whole lot of countries that don't recognize the SNC.....including the UN. Only 7 Countries that have Officially Recognized the SNC a the Ruling Government. Not to mention only 17 Support them.



    Red....Map of states that have/have not recognised the Syrian National Council Syria

    Green.....States that have diplomatically recognised the SNC as the sole legitimate government of Syria

    Blue.....States that officially support/recognise the SNC as a partner in dialogue or as an opposition group

    Yellow.....States that unofficially support the SNC as partner in dialogue

    Orange.....States with informal relations with the SNC

    Grey.....States that have not expressed support for the SNC....snip~

    International recognition of the Syrian National Council - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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