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    Re: Iran's new president: Yes, the Holocaust happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spriggs05 View Post
    Well Iran has been less of a problem child with Rouhani at the wheel, things should hopefully improve more soon.
    The mullahs still pull the strings so Rouhani given his history really doesn't tip the balance to improvement in my book. Remove the mullahs and put in place some sort of representative government and then I'll start believing.
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    Re: Iran's new president: Yes, the Holocaust happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The mullahs still pull the strings so Rouhani given his history really doesn't tip the balance to improvement in my book. Remove the mullahs and put in place some sort of representative government and then I'll start believing.
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    Re: Iran's new president: Yes, the Holocaust happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You're looking way too hard to find diversity in totalitarian dictatorship. Of course the Poobah puts on a theatre for his people and the international community.

    But let's stay on specific topic for the moment...


    Do you think this constitutes admitting the holocaust:

    Do you admit the holocaust?
    No answer.
    A bit later... Do you admit the holocaust?
    Any criminality is bad.


    That's holocaust denial.
    Iran is an autocratic country but I do not believe it is a totalitarian state, far from it.

    Returning to his statement I think it is a tacit acknowledgement. It's just a very bad one. From any Westerner I'd call it minimalism which goes in tandem with denialism. From the Iranian President and his foreign minister I'd call it progress and again I'd refer back to his relationship with the power bases in his home country.

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    Re: Iran's new president: Yes, the Holocaust happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No, it's a step carefully calculated to buy time for developing nukes. Same old BS. There is no difference between the old president and the new one. Do you understand that the Iranian regime is a totalitarian theocracy and the president has no real power whatsoever?
    Quote Originally Posted by Spriggs05 View Post
    I see your point, agree, and have no reply to it.
    Then I'll minorly disagree, haha. Even if Iran is still a totalitarian theocracy, the actual reformist actions (releasing political prisoners, eg) and the President's changes in tone show that the political atmosphere within Iran has changed significantly from what it was just a few short years ago. It would be a mistake to say "nothing's changed" and then act as if that were true. Any sign of progress ought to be celebrated, and any hint of regress discouraged and condemned.

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    Re: Iran's new president: Yes, the Holocaust happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Then I'll minorly disagree, haha. Even if Iran is still a totalitarian theocracy, the actual reformist actions (releasing political prisoners, eg) and the President's changes in tone show that the political atmosphere within Iran has changed significantly from what it was just a few short years ago. It would be a mistake to say "nothing's changed" and then act as if that were true. Any sign of progress ought to be celebrated, and any hint of regress discouraged and condemned.
    The regime needs to be on its best behavior, for any chance the Western world will go back on its word to prevent the regime from developing nukes. The hardliners can suck it up for a couple years, after nukes they will be given power. And the free world can say goodbye to the Persians for at least a couple generations.

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    Re: Iran's new president: Yes, the Holocaust happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's holocaust denial.
    or at least carefully chosen weasel words.
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    Re: Iran's new president: Yes, the Holocaust happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The regime needs to be on its best behavior, for any chance the Western world will go back on its word to prevent the regime from developing nukes. The hardliners can suck it up for a couple years, after nukes they will be given power. And the free world can say goodbye to the Persians for at least a couple generations.
    Agreed. I'm sure they will be on their best behavior and do just enough to get their nukes. Once they have them and even the possibility of a delivery system - they'll be near untouchable.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Iran's new president: Yes, the Holocaust happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    or at least carefully chosen weasel words.
    It's holocaust (plausible) denial.

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    Re: Iran's new president: Yes, the Holocaust happened.

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    Iran's new president: Yes, the Holocaust happened Amanpour - CNN.com Blogs



    Well I'll be damned. What say you?[/FONT][/COLOR]
    Ahmadinejad believed the Holocaust happened too. He basically implied it himself on Larry King Live but because denying it annoyed the Jews he denied it just to upset them.
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    Re: Iran's new president: Yes, the Holocaust happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Iran is an autocratic country but I do not believe it is a totalitarian state, far from it.
    No free press. A death sentence for gays. The largest supplier of terrorism globally. No outside news or TV, no internet and as soon as possible (nukes) no outside contact.

    Returning to his statement I think it is a tacit acknowledgement. It's just a very bad one. From any Westerner I'd call it minimalism which goes in tandem with denialism. From the Iranian President and his foreign minister I'd call it progress and again I'd refer back to his relationship with the power bases in his home country.
    Minimalism is denial. He did not use the word genocide or holocaust, merely "any criminality". The West might be stupid, but we see what he's doing. He's making it possible to deny Western media charges of "acknowledgement" in local, controlled press. He suffers no damage domestically and we buy his line of BS as a concession? Win-win for the Poobah.

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