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Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

Again, I wish people like you would move since you are so unhappy in this state.

I wish anger filled blow hard people like you would move from my native State.

I OFFERED MY EMPLOYEES

The company you worked for did not you as a district manager.


Don't you ever get tired or being lied to by liberal politicians?

Don't you ever get tired of being lied to by politicians, PERIOD.
 
I wish anger filled blow hard people like you would move from my native State.



The company you worked for did not you as a district manager.




Don't you ever get tired of being lied to by politicians, PERIOD.

You don't seem to be able to comprehend that it doesn't matter who offered the insurance to the employees although that person was me, less than 50% accepted the offer and we paid for over 80% of the cost a cost paid for by the customers of our business. You really don't have any idea how business works, do you? Who paid for your employee benefits?
 
He seems to not understand senate rules, there will still be a procedural vote on the spending bill.

Really? You think he has misunderstood what's going on and he doesn't know what the situation is? If that's what you think, you really don't know much about him at all. He probably knows the rules backward and forward, so I'm sure he knows exactly what is going on.
 
Sorry, not to rehash the 2012 campaign, but to straighten you out.... Romney did state that Jeep was moving "ALL production to China" AND imply in ads that Jeeps being built in China were at a cost of American jobs in Toledo. It was a lie.

Romney Radio Ad on Jeeps and China in Toledo, OH - YouTube
Romney Lies About Jeep - YouTube or whole speech, with critical words at 10:36 Mitt Romney Speech in Defiance, Ohio - 10/25/12 - YouTube

Yes, the actual TV you showed was correct; its just the issues above the preceded it that set the stage for appearing that it was perpetuating an actual lie.

How much googling did you do just to make the same mistake? Obama has said Republicans want children to starve children. We going to compare rhetorical campaign gloss now? The Romney ad was correct. Jeeps were going to be built in China. Politifact was wrong.

Politifact themselves even stated that the Romney ad spoke "literal truth", yet you're still desperately grasping at straws trying to claim Politifact themselves are free from any deception. Clearly they are in this case and many other examples. They are not a credible source. They are biased libs, just like the rest of the MSM. Pushing an agenda and pushing propaganda for Democrats.

Here is the ad 100% CORRECT. Hilariously it even cites Politifact

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ8P04q6jqE

Maybe you should rely on your own brain instead of Politifact. Just sayin ...
 
You don't seem to be able to comprehend that it doesn't matter who offered the insurance to the employees although that person was me, less than 50% accepted the offer and we paid for over 80% of the cost a cost paid for by the customers of our business. You really don't have any idea how business works, do you? Who paid for your employee benefits?

Still taking credit for what the higher ups made a decision on.
 
What is clear is that no one actually wants to discuss the issue and instead appears to find joy in pointless and lame partisan unfunny humor. Each of those messages really are just shouting "I'm a sheeple who thinks what I'm told."

Otherwise, the point of the fury appears to be that no member of Congress should do anything and any who try is insane, a troublemaker and a radical.
 
What is clear is that no one actually wants to discuss the issue and instead appears to find joy in pointless and lame partisan unfunny humor. Each of those messages really are just shouting "I'm a sheeple who thinks what I'm told."

Otherwise, the point of the fury appears to be that no member of Congress should do anything and any who try is insane, a troublemaker and a radical.

I don't agree with Cruz's methods, but I do give him props for standing up for what he believes is right. I wouldn't call him an obstructionist, considering this wasn't really what most have come to know as a filibuster.
 
Still ignoring that less than 50% CHOSE not to participate?

Didn't ignore that in the first place:

Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
Seems like Choice only matters when it comes to a liberals intent to murder their baby not when it comes to choosing insurance. .

Oh dear god you take some extra B-12 today?

Quote Originally Posted by ConservativeI offered insurance to all my employees No your company did not you and less than half signed up. that was their choice, just like it is going to be their choice not to purchase Obamacare and pay the fine, then what?

You paid for it:


In 2005, typical premiums for family health insurance coverage provided by private employers in the U.S. include an extra $922 in premiums due to the cost of care for the uninsured. In Texas, because of the very large percentage of uninsured, that figure is $1,551. By 2010, the national average will catch up to Texas' current figure; by then, the annual cost per Texas family will soar to $2,786.
 
How much googling did you do just to make the same mistake? Obama has said Republicans want children to starve children. We going to compare rhetorical campaign gloss now? The Romney ad was correct. Jeeps were going to be built in China. Politifact was wrong.

Politifact themselves even stated that the Romney ad spoke "literal truth", yet you're still desperately grasping at straws trying to claim Politifact themselves are free from any deception. Clearly they are in this case and many other examples. They are not a credible source. They are biased libs, just like the rest of the MSM. Pushing an agenda and pushing propaganda for Democrats.

Here is the ad 100% CORRECT. Hilariously it even cites Politifact

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ8P04q6jqE

Maybe you should rely on your own brain instead of Politifact. Just sayin ...

You sure missed the point. I was not arguing with you about the ad you are speaking about. It was factually correct. It was, however, a walk back from a radio spot Romney ran in Ohio where he explicitly stated jobs were moving to China AND and a prior speech he gave in Defiance where he repeated something he heard that jobs were moving from Ohio to China. The ad he ultimately came up and that Politifact had a problem with threaded the needle between the truth and his prior representations.

Romney Radio Ad on Jeeps and China in Toledo, OH - YouTube
Romney Lies About Jeep - YouTube or whole speech, with critical words at 10:36 Mitt Romney Speech in Defiance, Ohio - 10/25/12 - YouTube

Politifact took the wrong ad to make the right point.
 
Speaking of health insurance and of Texas' 25.7% uninsured rate This is What the TMA has to say about it:

Medical Impact of Lacking Health Insurance

The uninsured are up to four times less likely to have a regular source of health care and are more likely to die from health-related problems. They are much less likely to receive needed medical care, even for symptoms that can have serious health consequences if not treated. About one in four Texans lives at or below the poverty level; for children, it's nearly one in three. Extending health coverage to the uninsured could improve their overall health by 7 to 8 percent. Lack of insurance increases their dependence on Medicaid.

Financial Impact of Texas' Uninsured Crisis

Lacking a medical home, uninsured people tend to look for health care in the emergency room, the most expensive setting they could possibly choose. Nationally, patients made over 123 million emergency room visits in 2008. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says that about 8 percent (9.9 million) of ER visits are for non-urgent issues that could be treated in a doctor's office or clinic.

Using Medicaid payment rates and data on Medicaid patients' unnecessary emergency room visits, the Legislative Budget Board estimates that a condition that could be treated in a doctor's office for $56.21 (including lab and x-ray) costs $193.92 in the emergency room. National studies back up that data, finding, for example, that the charge for treating an ear infection in the emergency room is $170 versus $55 in a family physician's office.

Taxpayers, Texans with insurance, and employers who offer health benefits also pay extra for caring for the uninsured. Families USA estimated the total cost for Texas in 2005 to be more than $9.2 billion. Of that:

The patients and their families pay about half ($4.6 billion);
Government health programs pay one-sixth ($1.6 billion); and
Those with private health insurance subsidize the remaining third ($3 billion).
Texas hospitals spent about $208 million treating uninsured trauma patients in 2003. To cover these costs, hospitals charge insured patients higher prices, which in turn drives up insurance premiums. In what Families USA calls a "vicious cycle," those increased costs are added to already-rising health insurance premiums, leading more employers to drop coverage, and leaving even more people without insurance. That further adds to premiums for the insured and further boosts the roles of the uninsured.

In 2005, typical premiums for family health insurance coverage provided by private employers in the U.S. include an extra $922 in premiums due to the cost of care for the uninsured. In Texas, because of the very large percentage of uninsured, that figure is $1,551. By 2010, the national average will catch up to Texas' current figure; by then, the annual cost per Texas family will soar to $2,786.

- See more at: The Uninsured in Texas

But we all know you really don't care about Texas or its citizens.

You and others like you love to post poll numbers showing how poorly you believe TX ranks in the number insured yet totally ignore the number of people in TX who CHOOSE not to purchase insurance when offered, the number of people in TX classified as uninsured who are eligible for taxpayer funded insurance that they choose not to take, the number of people in TX who are self insured. Further you and your ilk choose to ignore who actually pays for the cost of the uninsured in the various states. You seem to think it is the Federal Taxpayer when the reality is it is the state taxpayers that fund most of it if not all therefore making it a state issue not a federal issue.
 
Didn't ignore that in the first place:

Do you have a point? Mine continues to be insurance is a choice that millions of Americans choose not to participate in and that insurance costs for the uninsured are bourn by the state not the Federal taxpayers. You conveniently ignored those facts. If the people of TX want UHC then let the people of TX implement it, that isn't the role of the Federal Govt.
 
Do you have a point?

You were wrong again is the point

Mine continues to be insurance is a choice that millions of Americans choose not to participate in and that insurance costs for the uninsured are bourn by the state not the Federal taxpayers. You conveniently ignored those facts. If the people of TX want UHC then let the people of TX implement it, that isn't the role of the Federal Govt.

And again you are wrong, medicaid is a 50/50 program.
 
Uhmm those aren't polls

no, those are numbers that don't tell the entire story, a story you want to ignore. IF someone doesn't want insurance where are they counted in those numbers? If someone is self insured where are they counted in those numbers? If someone has access to a taxpayer funded insurance program like Medicaid where are they counted in those numbers you post?
 
You were wrong again is the point



And again you are wrong, medicaid is a 50/50 program.

Yes, administered by the state to those who seek it. Where are those eligible for Medicaid counted when they don't seek the insurance available to them
 
no, those are numbers that don't tell the entire story, a story you want to ignore. IF someone doesn't want insurance where are they counted in those numbers? If someone is self insured where are they counted in those numbers? If someone has access to a taxpayer funded insurance program like Medicaid where are they counted in those numbers you post?


YAY 10,000 questions:roll:

Put some effort, Why don't ya go google it.
 
YAY 10,000 questions:roll:

Put some effort, Why don't ya go google it.

Same old Winston, still seeking attention and refusing to answer direct questions. You posted numbers, don't you think you should understand what goes into those numbers? are you this desperate for supporting massive growth in the entitlement mentality?
 
Same old Winston, still seeking attention and refusing to answer direct questions. are you this desperate for supporting massive growth in the entitlement mentality?

Yeah I have already posted my stuff you haven't come up with jack. And if you want to counter my info do your own work.

You posted numbers, don't you think you should understand what goes into those numbers?

So what goes into those numbers?
 
Yeah I have already posted my stuff you haven't come up with jack. And if you want to counter my info do your own work.



So what goes into those numbers?

No, you posted numbers that you have no idea where they came from. Fact, there are millions of Americans who are eligible for insurance who CHOOSE not to participate yet are reported as uninsured. Do you really believe the Federally created Obamacare program is a solution to your problem?
 
No, you posted numbers that you have no idea where they came from.

Uhmm no they were linked to sources.

Fact, there are millions of Americans who are eligible for insurance who CHOOSE not to participate yet are reported as uninsured.

The whole population is eligible for insurance if they can pay for it! Your anecdotal whimsies are meaningless.

Do you really believe the Federally created Obamacare program is a solution to your problem?

My problem? WTH heck are you talking about?
 
Actually, you're describing Marco Rubio, not Cruz. But Rubio has mostly abandoned his Tea Party roots in search of the Presidential nomination he'll never get. Fortunately, Jeb Bush has the seniority, the gravitas, the common sense, and the immediate hispanic family to put any of the hispanic imposters out to pasture. Jeb Bush will be the next President of the United States - bet on it.

I'll take that bet... Jeb won't be the next President.

I was discussing Cruz, a Cuban American which only gringos think is 'close enough' to mexican to pull the Vast majority of the Hispanic vote... :roll:

Cruz is the bigger 'threat' to good governance as he is sticking to the TP radical right position. Cruz is being talked up as a new leader for the GOP, I'll wager a shiny nickle he will be the New Messiah that will lead the GOP to the Promise Land.

Can't say I've heard much about Rubio of late...
 
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