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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Look, you want to believe that ACO's are saving money, maybe they are and maybe they are just shifting costs. What we do know is that Medicare is costing a lot more than intended, doctors are dropping out of the program, some hospitals aren't taking Medicare patients which apparently you want to ignore. My doctor for 21 years doesn't take Medicare therefore I am paying for a supplemental. I can afford it, how many others can? Where is the accountability for the Obama lies that if you want to keep your doctor and healthcare play you can?
    ....says the guy who just found out what an ACO was yesterday.
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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

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    ....says the guy who just found out what an ACO was yesterday.
    You act like ACO's have been around for decades when the reality is that isn't the case as they are a new concept that you give too much credibility to. Are costs being cut or simply shifted, do you know? I don't give a damn about ACO's I care about results and access to personal doctors not ER's. You have such passion for this issue and the question is why? Do you have such support for Obama that you buy everything he says? You don't seem to understand that healthcare is a personal issue and a state expense, not a federal issue and federal expense so tell me why we even need Obamacare?

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    This is simply false. Cruz declined the government healthcare plan.
    He did? He's not on the government provided health care plan that the rest of Congress has? Are you sure?
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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    He did? He's not on the government provided health care plan that the rest of Congress has? Are you sure?
    Does it matter? do you believe that the current govt. provided healthcare plan is Obamacare?

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Does it matter? do you believe that the current govt. provided healthcare plan is Obamacare?
    No, but the comment was made that Cruz doesn't have government provided health care, and that he actually declined the government healthcare plan. I was just wondering if those statements were accurate.
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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Except that Cruz' filibuster, which technically was not a filibuster (confused yet? - LOL), lasted a little over an hour. What the hell was that? Was THAT the amount of time he was able to stand on his feet? Jesus!! I know people who stood in line for hours just to get an iPhone. Cruz - You are a pussy. LOL.

    Article is here.
    Not a fan of Cruz but he could of won some "cool points" by using his time to go over potential Breaking Bad endings or a "Parks and Rec" style Marvel and Star Wars movie plot instead of the predictable rightwing talking points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You act like ACO's have been around for decades when the reality is that isn't the case as they are a new concept that you give too much credibility to. Are costs being cut or simply shifted, do you know? I don't give a damn about ACO's I care about results and access to personal doctors not ER's. You have such passion for this issue and the question is why? Do you have such support for Obama that you buy everything he says? You don't seem to understand that healthcare is a personal issue and a state expense, not a federal issue and federal expense so tell me why we even need Obamacare?
    Ummm. No. If you'd been following along, I've said the ACOs are a creation of the ACA and since you just found out they exist yesterday and don't seem to have increased your knowledge much more than that, it means that virtually anything you have to say about Obamacare is uninformed nonsense.
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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No, but the comment was made that Cruz doesn't have government provided health care, and that he actually declined the government healthcare plan. I was just wondering if those statements were accurate.

    What should matter is that Congress be forced to give up whatever play they have and be put on Obamacare like everyone else is being forced to do, no exemptions at all. Amazing how such a wonderful program touted by the Obama Administration is faced with so many exemption requests, wonder why?

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Ummm. No. If you'd been following along, I've said the ACOs are a creation of the ACA and since you just found out they exist yesterday and don't seem to have increased your knowledge much more than that, it means that virtually anything you have to say about Obamacare is uninformed nonsense.
    Yes, so that doesn't make the a govt. program that has been successful because they have been in effect for such a short period of time there is no history here to show those results or no understanding of what those results you posted actually are. Seems you cannot get away from that liberal arrogance and demonization of the opposition. I asked you for a federal social program that cost what it was supposed to cost, did what it was supposed to do and actually lowered costs. You gave me a program that has been in effect for probably a year at most and one that you have no idea where the numbers being posted came from. I call that total ignorance but not on my part.

    Your passion for Obamacare is significant, the question is why? You obviously didn't realize that your contribution to Medicare will result in you being forced off your current healthcare plan when you retire. Maybe or maybe not your current doctor will take you then, but of course there is always Obamacare for you.

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What should matter is that Congress be forced to give up whatever play they have and be put on Obamacare like everyone else is being forced to do, no exemptions at all. Amazing how such a wonderful program touted by the Obama Administration is faced with so many exemption requests, wonder why?
    While I agree that Congress should have to live with whatever the rest of us have, just what that may be varies from one person to another anyway. Congress did discover that some quirk in the law did not allow their employees to have a health care program paid for by the government. Just why that was, I'm not sure, but it was something in that 2,000 page mega document that they quickly fixed.

    Funny how, when it affects them directly, they can actually act and not just perform political grandstanding.

    But, anyway, Obamacare is not a universal health care plan that we all have to accept. It is a mandate that everyone have health insurance, along with a plan whereby everyone could comply. Anyone with health insurance paid for by his/her employer will still have it, as long as the employer is willing to continue to pay for it. That didn't change.
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