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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    People have died because they didn't have access. The Affordable Care Act does a lot of other things too btw.
    If it wasn't for Individual and company mandates then ACA would probably be a fine enough law. Instead of voting to repeal the ACA 40 times maybe Republicans should have been negotiating with the Dems to get those portions removed? Now on the 11th hour Republicans have backed themselves into a corner.
    So you believe it is the responsibility of the Federal Govt. to mandate personal choice issues? From what I can see here is the effects of media brainwashing and omission. You see there have been numerous proposals submitted by the GOP for healthcare reform but none of them reported in your media. You therefore choose to believe what Obama tells you ignoring the fact that Obama has yet to be accurate on any prediction or proposal he has submitted. All cost more than intended and do less than intended, i.e. Stimulus

    But just in case you don't understand what is going on here is a pretty good analysis of healthcare costs in this country. By the way healthcare is a personal responsibility not a Federal Govt. responsibility. In addition the people of Nevada do not fund the uninsured in TX nor should they therefore why do we need a Federal Program?

    Why Are U.S. Health Care Costs So High? - Forbes

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    As midnight past a few moments ago, I am watching the delusional Harry Reed calling the Tea Party anarchists and saying that we have to go along with him because Obama won his election last November. Really? Did he notice who won they House? The Tea Party wants the Constitution followed, so I guess the founding fathers are also anarchists, since they wrote it. The misinformation spewed by the left during this is disgusting.

    And how is it that the republicans are shutting down the government when Obama has already declared that he will not negotiate?
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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

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    So you believe it is the responsibility of the Federal Govt. to mandate personal choice issues?
    My goodness, somebody is having trouble with reading today.

    If it wasn't for Individual and company mandates then ACA would probably be a fine enough law.
    If you can't read and comprehend one paragraph on this forum I highly doubt you could read and comprehend the legislation that you're pissing and moaning about. And you're doing a lot of inane projection, claiming I believe everything Obama tells me. I don't agree with a lot of what Obama says, but it's people like you that are part of the problem.

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    My goodness, somebody is having trouble with reading today.


    If you can't read and comprehend one paragraph on this forum I highly doubt you could read and comprehend the legislation that you're pissing and moaning about. And you're doing a lot of inane projection, claiming I believe everything Obama tells me. I don't agree with a lot of what Obama says, but it's people like you that are part of the problem.
    You are right, misread your post, my apology however I don't believe it is the role of the Federal Govt. to offer a healthcare program to the American people. Healthcare is a personal choice and a Federal program isn't needed, just get the govt. out of the way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Obviously you have no idea what those article said. We have the toughest drug regulations in the world, very expensive malpractice insurance and a liberal court system that should force the plaintiff to pay all legal bills if they lose, tight regulations on insurance companies and their ability to cross state lines but of course I am sure those weren't considered by you in analyzing the expenses.

    You want badly to buy what you are told but have done little research on even the MA program. All Obamacare does is give people access not service or quality. If forces people to do what they may not want to do and it certainly doesn't guarantee that you can keep your doctor or healthcare program. Obama lies to you and you ignore the lies.
    LOL!
    The US does not have the toughest drug regulations in the world. You probably never heard of the EMEA or CHMP. Obamacare, however, might do a bit more of this in catching up with Europe in requiring comparative trials for new drugs. But that's going into the weeds...

    Malpractice insurance and settlements contribute about 5% of total HC costs. Tort reform in Texas hasn't seemed to affect costs there at all, and only mildly brought down malpractice premiums.

    http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wo...exas-a-review/


    Selling insurance across State lines is a ridiculous idea championed only by those who don't understand insurance, risk pools, and health care, or those who are willing to give up States rights over regulation.

    http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wo...l-lower-costs/

    The rest of your post are conclusions built on a foundation of misunderstanding.
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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    LOL!
    The US does not have the toughest drug regulations in the world. You probably never heard of the EMEA or CHMP.

    Malpractice insurance and settlements contribute about 5% of total HC costs.

    Selling insurance across State lines is a ridiculous idea championed only by those who don't understand insurance, risk pools, and health care, or those who are willing to give up States rights over regulation.

    Meme-busting: Selling insurance across state lines will lower costs | The Incidental Economist

    The rest of your post are conclusions built on a foundation of misunderstanding.
    Not drug regulations, Drug testing requirements and the time it takes to get product to the market. where do the R&D expenses come from

    Malpractice insurance is a cost, a cost why?

    Inserting competition into the industry is a foreign concept to people like you

    What do you call Obamacare if not a liberal pipe dream that promises lower costs and better service contrary to history of every govt. program ever implemented?

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Are you talking about the subsidies?
    See comment #561 for what I'm talking about.

    To get "healthcare" (of a sort) for those who don't have it, Obama has had developed for him the initial step toward a Single Payer (Government) Healthcare system ... just like he said.

    With Ocare everyone who isn't indigent is going to pay healthcare costs for those who are. Everyone. Yes, that happens to an extent now ... but now it's institutionalized, more expensive, and truly a redistributive plan ... IOW, socialized medicine.

    It's gonna be bad ... and we haven't even started with the heavy hand of the Patient Advisory Board yet.

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    My goodness, somebody is having trouble with reading today.


    If you can't read and comprehend one paragraph on this forum I highly doubt you could read and comprehend the legislation that you're pissing and moaning about. And you're doing a lot of inane projection, claiming I believe everything Obama tells me.
    I don't agree with a lot of what Obama says, but it's people like you that are part of the problem.
    I see you're already becoming as big a boor as some others here who may LIKE comments like that ... some friendly advice ... don't let it happen ... it's not very attractive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Not drug regulations, Drug testing requirements and the time it takes to get product to the market. where do the R&D expenses come from

    Malpractice insurance is a cost, a cost why?

    Inserting competition into the industry is a foreign concept to people like you

    What do you call Obamacare if not a liberal pipe dream that promises lower costs and better service contrary to history of every govt. program ever implemented?

    Nice way to avoid my carefully referenced post.
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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    I see you're already becoming as big a boor as some others here who may LIKE comments like that ... some friendly advice ... don't let it happen ... it's not very attractive.
    : Skewed thinking is unattractive in all its forms! It's unfortunate that the legislators who voted for this "trainwreck" either didn't read it, or understand it if they did, which explains why it's being rewritten before it even takes effect! It also explains why so many exemptions are being given...those people did read it, and they don't like what it says! Too bad for the rest of us who are being forced to comply! :

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