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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Not necessarily. I'm not so sure that the overall cost of health care will go up under Obamacare, but
    it will be easier to get health insurance
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    more people will be insured,
    t he cost of caring for the indigent should go down, thus mitigating the cost. Costs could go up some, but t hen, they've been going up faster than the rate of inflation for quite some time now.

    My objection is that nothing is being done to rein in those costs, not that more people will have access to medical care. Eventually, this issue will have to be revisited. Let's hope that by that time at least some the current bunch of clowns occupying the halls of Congress will have been sent back home.

    Easier to get insurance? Maybe ... but you don't even know if your doctor will be in the exchange you sign up for and there are stories that doctors are already bailing on their practice. I'm also anxious to see if Obamacare tells everyone what their premiums AND deductibles will be under whatever level plan they choose.

    I think you'll find, depending on your age and income level, that your premiums and deductibles are going to go up a lot more than you think and your subsidy, if you get any, won't cover it.
    Furthermore ... think about it, somebody is going to have to pay for your and everyone else's subsidies either through taxes or an huge increase in newly insured youngsters who may or may not enroll in Obamacare.
    Now ... the indigent have no money so they will almost entirely be depending on you to pay for their policy.

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

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    Do you realize that no one has actually laid out the costs of American healthcare to see why it is so expensive vs. the world. Any idea why? Don't you think that should be the first step in reducing costs, identifying them? There is no compromise unless you do what the Democrats want. Exempting various sections of the economy from the program isn't compromise. The bottomline should be that there are no exemptions for anyone.
    The only alternative that i have heard about involved knocking down state borders for families to shop for insurance. Thats essentially what BOCare does but with a mandate.Do you have any healthcare updates from the party of NO that you would like to share with us?

    Here is an image if it sticks.And a link if not that you might be interested in.



    https://twitter.com/SenatorReid/stat...251520/photo/1
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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

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    Do you realize that no one has actually laid out the costs of American healthcare to see why it is so expensive vs. the world. Any idea why? Don't you think that should be the first step in reducing costs, identifying them? There is no compromise unless you do what the Democrats want. Exempting various sections of the economy from the program isn't compromise. The bottomline should be that there are no exemptions for anyone.
    Good evening, conservative.

    : Where did this very unfair "exemption" bright idea come from? Obamacare is the law of the land, as we are constantly being reminded. It is NOT an option! How can anyone be exempt from following a law? How is the IRS going to treat these "exemptables," while fining everyone else that chooses not to comply? This should be interesting!

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'm sure that laying out the costs and analyzing why we have the most expensive healthcare in the world would have been a logical first step.
    When does the government ever do anything in a logical way?

    Anyway, the purpose of Obamacare is not to reduce costs (unfortunately), but only to increase access to health care.

    As for doing what the Democrats want, just what do the Republicans want to do? I haven't seen any realistic measures to cut costs proposed by them, either.
    Exactly right, when does the govt. ever do anything logically or cost effectively? Do you realize how much money you would have today had you simply been forced to put your SS "contributions into a simple savings account for 35 years and it would be your money? What Obamacare does it give the bureaucrats more money to spend, more power, and create havoc with our healthcare system overburdening our already over used ER's.

    I don't understand why people have such confidence in the Federal Govt. doing anything well

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Donc View Post
    The only alternative that i have heard about involved knocking down state borders for families to shop for insurance. Thats essentially what BOCare does but with a mandate.Do you have any healthcare updates from the party of NO that you would like to share with us?

    Here is an image if it sticks.And a link if not that you might be interested in.



    https://twitter.com/SenatorReid/stat...251520/photo/1
    There have been a number of good proposals submitted by the GOP but neither Obama or the media have reported those programs. It serves no purpose to discuss them now. The point remains, there is nothing that the federal Govt. does that is efficient, cost effective, and provides better quality. All you get with Obamacare is maybe improved access but certainly not improved service or quality. The govt. has another source of funding to waste.

    Please explain why anyone would believe anything from Harry Reid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do you realize that no one has actually laid out the costs of American healthcare to see why it is so expensive vs. the world. Any idea why? Don't you think that should be the first step in reducing costs, identifying them? There is no compromise unless you do what the Democrats want. Exempting various sections of the economy from the program isn't compromise. The bottomline should be that there are no exemptions for anyone.
    LOL. I've read dozens of papers showing why US healthcare is the most expensive in the world. I guess you haven't.

    Most of them point out flaws that the ACA addresses. I'd explain. But I won't bother, since you seem not to have nothered to read up on the fundamental issues in health care...
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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good evening, conservative.

    : Where did this very unfair "exemption" bright idea come from? Obamacare is the law of the land, as we are constantly being reminded. It is NOT an option! How can anyone be exempt from following a law? How is the IRS going to treat these "exemptables," while fining everyone else that chooses not to comply? This should be interesting!
    Exactly, don't think Donc realizes what you are saying here. Obama has exempted campaign contributors from Obamacare yet says he won't compromise with Republicans. Compromise to a liberal means doing exactly what they want. Since Obamacare is the law of the land there should be NO exemptions including Congress.

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    LOL. I've read dozens of papers showing why US healthcare is the most expensive in the world. I guess you haven't.

    Most of them point out flaws that the ACA addresses. I'd explain. But I won't bother, since you seem not to have nothered to read up on the fundamental issues in health care...
    Obviously you have no idea what those article said. We have the toughest drug regulations in the world, very expensive malpractice insurance and a liberal court system that should force the plaintiff to pay all legal bills if they lose, tight regulations on insurance companies and their ability to cross state lines but of course I am sure those weren't considered by you in analyzing the expenses.

    You want badly to buy what you are told but have done little research on even the MA program. All Obamacare does is give people access not service or quality. If forces people to do what they may not want to do and it certainly doesn't guarantee that you can keep your doctor or healthcare program. Obama lies to you and you ignore the lies.

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Given how the law is written, what you're really saying, intentionally or not, is that Obama is using healthcare as a big guzzling expensive vehicle for redistribution.
    Are you talking about the subsidies?

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    All Obamacare does is give people access not service or quality.
    People have died because they didn't have access. The Affordable Care Act does a lot of other things too btw.
    If it wasn't for Individual and company mandates then ACA would probably be a fine enough law. Instead of voting to repeal the ACA 40 times maybe Republicans should have been negotiating with the Dems to get those portions removed? Now on the 11th hour Republicans have backed themselves into a corner.

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