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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    You seem to miss the point that he wasn't ALLOWED to filibuster.. This the concept of a fake filibuster. What he did was just delay debate and screw his own party. Oh....and the US taxpayer, who will have to pay for this shutdown.
    Really? I watched some of that late night when I got home...How many other Congressmen were there at 2:30 am? I didn't see any....Delayed debate? Nah....That's a lie.
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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Really? I watched some of that late night when I got home...How many other Congressmen were there at 2:30 am? I didn't see any....Delayed debate? Nah....That's a lie.
    Its not a lie. But its probably not entirely accurate. I think they had 30 hours scheduled for debate. Cruz just took it all. There was no delay because Reid cut him off when he planned the vote.

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

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    No, individual responsibility best left to the states to handle if the people of the state to choose to do so.

    It is the individuals in the states that decide whether or not to require state initiated UHC

    I prefer competitive solutions to the healthcare problem and people making their own choices. that isn't the case with Obamacare

    We are a govt. of the people where that govt. is closest to the people. Our Founders put the power at the state level, liberals are forcing it at the Federal level and that is only creating greater power and dependence.
    I understand what you're saying, and agree to a degree. The problem is, when it comes to health care, we can say that it isn't a right all we want, but still no one is willing to let the accident victim bleed out in the street for lack of ability to pay. I for one would not want to live in a society that would do so. Therefore, the question becomes one of how best to pay for the uninsured, the indigent, the irresponsible.

    Moreover, the current system, before Obamacare, discourages people from striking out on their own in a small business. If you're a cog in the giant corporate structure, then you can be a part of a group insurance. If you're on your own, you can not. Up to Obamacare, people with pre existing conditions could not get covered. Now they can. Before, there was no way to become a part of a group unless you were an employee. Now, you can.

    Obamacare is a long way from perfect, it is far too expensive, but it may prove to be better than the system we used to have.
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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I understand what you're saying, and agree to a degree. The problem is, when it comes to health care, we can say that it isn't a right all we want, but still no one is willing to let the accident victim bleed out in the street for lack of ability to pay. I for one would not want to live in a society that would do so. Therefore, the question becomes one of how best to pay for the uninsured, the indigent, the irresponsible.

    Moreover, the current system, before Obamacare, discourages people from striking out on their own in a small business. If you're a cog in the giant corporate structure, then you can be a part of a group insurance. If you're on your own, you can not. Up to Obamacare, people with pre existing conditions could not get covered. Now they can. Before, there was no way to become a part of a group unless you were an employee. Now, you can.

    Obamacare is a long way from perfect, it is far too expensive, but it may prove to be better than the system we used to have.
    Name for me one federally initiated program designed to solve a social program that cost what it was supposed to cost, did what it was supposed to do, solved a problem and went away? All you have to do is look at the original cost of Social Security and Medicare to see what Obamacare is going to be in a number of years. Cost too much? LOL, what an understatement.

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

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    Name for me one federally initiated program designed to solve a social program that cost what it was supposed to cost, did what it was supposed to do, solved a problem and went away? All you have to do is look at the original cost of Social Security and Medicare to see what Obamacare is going to be in a number of years. Cost too much? LOL, what an understatement.
    I don't think anyone expects it to go away, except, perhaps for Ted Cruz. No, Obamacare is here to stay, and yes, it's going to be expensive.

    But, then, the system we had before was already the most expensive in the world by far.


    We could talk ideology and alternative plans, could probably come up with something that would be a lot less expensive than the health care system of the USA either before or after Obamacare. The devil is in getting it passed.

    What we have is a compromise that no one is really happy with.
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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I don't think anyone expects it to go away, except, perhaps for Ted Cruz. No, Obamacare is here to stay, and yes, it's going to be expensive.

    But, then, the system we had before was already the most expensive in the world by far.


    We could talk ideology and alternative plans, could probably come up with something that would be a lot less expensive than the health care system of the USA either before or after Obamacare. The devil is in getting it passed.

    What we have is a compromise that no one is really happy with.
    Do you realize that no one has actually laid out the costs of American healthcare to see why it is so expensive vs. the world. Any idea why? Don't you think that should be the first step in reducing costs, identifying them? There is no compromise unless you do what the Democrats want. Exempting various sections of the economy from the program isn't compromise. The bottomline should be that there are no exemptions for anyone.

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Its not a lie. But its probably not entirely accurate. I think they had 30 hours scheduled for debate. Cruz just took it all. There was no delay because Reid cut him off when he planned the vote.
    If it wasn't entirely accurate as you say, then why'd you try to get away with saying it? Look, Cruz didn't disrupt anything, he has the right to take the floor, and was not in violation of any rules, also, knew the time in which he would yield to return the floor to the Senate.

    Liberals are just mad because y'all thought that you wouldn't even have to talk about HC during this, and that you'd once again be able to cow the House into whatever y'all wanted, with such a weak SotH in place....Well, Cruz brought attention to this law, and its flaws, as well as controlled the news cycle for that time....I think it was great.

    This sure let's us all know how libs will start the crying when they lose power in 2014.
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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

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    Do you realize that no one has actually laid out the costs of American healthcare to see why it is so expensive vs. the world. Any idea why? Don't you think that should be the first step in reducing costs, identifying them? There is no compromise unless you do what the Democrats want. Exempting various sections of the economy from the program isn't compromise. The bottomline should be that there are no exemptions for anyone.
    I'm sure that laying out the costs and analyzing why we have the most expensive healthcare in the world would have been a logical first step.
    When does the government ever do anything in a logical way?

    Anyway, the purpose of Obamacare is not to reduce costs (unfortunately), but only to increase access to health care.

    As for doing what the Democrats want, just what do the Republicans want to do? I haven't seen any realistic measures to cut costs proposed by them, either.
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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'm sure that laying out the costs and analyzing why we have the most expensive healthcare in the world would have been a logical first step.
    When does the government ever do anything in a logical way?

    Anyway, the purpose of Obamacare is not to reduce costs (unfortunately), but only to increase access to health care.
    As for doing what the Democrats want, just what do the Republicans want to do? I haven't seen any realistic measures to cut costs proposed by them, either.
    Given how the law is written, what you're really saying, intentionally or not, is that Obama is using healthcare as a big guzzling expensive vehicle for redistribution.

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Given how the law is written, what you're really saying, intentionally or not, is that Obama is using healthcare as a big guzzling expensive vehicle for redistribution.
    Not necessarily. I'm not so sure that the overall cost of health care will go up under Obamacare, but it will be easier to get health insurance. Since more people will be insured, t he cost of caring for the indigent should go down, thus mitigating the cost. Costs could go up some, but t hen, they've been going up faster than the rate of inflation for quite some time now.

    My objection is that nothing is being done to rein in those costs, not that more people will have access to medical care. Eventually, this issue will have to be revisited. Let's hope that by that time at least some the current bunch of clowns occupying the halls of Congress will have been sent back home.
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