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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

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    History says you are wrong, liberal entitlement programs always cost more and do less than predicted. All those exempted people from the program and those healthy young people who will pay the fine vs, subscribing will create another nightmare for this country and the taxpayers. Apparently you don't care. Tell me where all these "newly" insured people are going to get treatment? Why has MA healthcare costs increased? Why is it the Federal Taxpayers' responsibility to pay for your personal responsibility issues? How about answering the questions with that brain God gave you?
    All this boils down to is a philosophical difference over healthcare. Conservatives like yourself see healthcare insurance as a service, not a right, and they resist any attempt at the government getting involved.

    Liberals however see healthcare as a right. Its a right because healthcare is related to one's right to life, and liberals think it is wrong that people can be denied treatment, and possibly of their life, because insurance company won't cover the cost of the medical procedure. people's lives should not be valued just by how much they are able to pay, and one should live in fear of their life being ruined by a 50,000 dollar or more healthcare bill.

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    My point is not that Bush is to blame, but that the current president is not a whole lot different from Bush.

    Anyway, back to Obamacare, which parts of it do you find objectionable? Is it:

    individual mandate,
    stay on parents' policy to age 26,
    no more excluding "pre existing conditions",
    state by state groups that individuals can buy into,
    subsidized premiums for people without a lot of money,
    it was passed by Democrats
    The current President is a "street thug" who lacks any leadership or executive skills. He is the "do as I say" President not "do as I do" President as he sets a terrible standard for people to see and follow

    I find all aspects of Obamacare objectionable because they all give too much power to the Federal Govt. Healthcare is an individual responsibility best left to the states to handle since it is the people of the state that pay the bills for the uninsured.

    There are enough programs now available to people who CHOOSE to use them, forcing them into a program violates the freedoms guaranteed including the freedom to be stupid. When will liberals stop trying to legislate personal responsibility and stupidity

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

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    I find all aspects of Obamacare objectionable because they all give too much power to the Federal Govt. Healthcare is an individual responsibility best left to the states to handle since it is the people of the state that pay the bills for the uninsured.
    Again why do you keep lying. Medicaid is a 50 50 deal

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

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    The current President is a "street thug" who lacks any leadership or executive skills. He is the "do as I say" President not "do as I do" President as he sets a terrible standard for people to see and follow

    I find all aspects of Obamacare objectionable because they all give too much power to the Federal Govt. Healthcare is an individual responsibility best left to the states to handle since it is the people of the state that pay the bills for the uninsured.

    There are enough programs now available to people who CHOOSE to use them, forcing them into a program violates the freedoms guaranteed including the freedom to be stupid. When will liberals stop trying to legislate personal responsibility and stupidity
    an individual responsibility best left to the states?

    If it's an individual responsibility, wouldn't it be best left to the individual?

    But, if the individual has health issues, then he/she can't get insurance, or couldn't before Obamacare. So, you must be in favor of the "no pre existing conditions" rule.

    and then there's the individual mandate. If you're willing to let the individual make stupid decisions and live with them, then the individual mandate is a bad idea. If, on the other hand, you're willing to let the state, the feds, the ratepayers bail out individuals who opt out of health insurance and run into problems, then the individual mandate is simply making them be responsible.
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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Unitedwestand13;1062365925]All this boils down to is a philosophical difference over healthcare. Conservatives like yourself see healthcare insurance as a service, not a right, and they resist any attempt at the government getting involved.
    The freedom to be stupid is also a right but liberals cannot legislate stupidity or there wouldn't be any liberals. Healthcare is a personal responsibility issue and there are programs at the state level to handle those issues, that is where healthcare belongs.

    Liberals however see healthcare as a right. Its a right because healthcare is related to one's right to life, and liberals think it is wrong that people can be denied treatment, and possibly of their life, because insurance company won't cover the cost of the medical procedure. people's lives should not be valued just by how much they are able to pay, and one should live in fear of their life being ruined by a 50,000 dollar or more healthcare bill.
    Show me where healthcare is a federal taxpayer responsibility in the Constitution? It isn't a right, it is a personal responsibility. People aren't being denied treatment, that is liberal spin. Who are you to tell people what they can or cannot do or purchase. I had over 50% of my workforce CHOOSE not to participate in the company healthcare program yet according to you personal choice and responsibility only exist on programs that you or other liberals deem as important. Explain to me why it is my responsibility to pay for your healthcare?

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Again why do you keep lying. Medicaid is a 50 50 deal
    And Medicaid is an insurance program, we aren't talking about insurance programs only the uninsured. You still don't get it and never will as you continue to play your trolling games. I take that back, you do get it but prefer attention.

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

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    And Medicaid is an insurance program, we aren't talking about insurance programs only the uninsured. You still don't get it and never will as you continue to play your trolling games. I take that back, you do get it but prefer attention.
    Correcting your canned misinformation talking points is not trolling.

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    an individual responsibility best left to the states?

    If it's an individual responsibility, wouldn't it be best left to the individual?

    But, if the individual has health issues, then he/she can't get insurance, or couldn't before Obamacare. So, you must be in favor of the "no pre existing conditions" rule.

    and then there's the individual mandate. If you're willing to let the individual make stupid decisions and live with them, then the individual mandate is a bad idea. If, on the other hand, you're willing to let the state, the feds, the ratepayers bail out individuals who opt out of health insurance and run into problems, then the individual mandate is simply making them be responsible.
    No, individual responsibility best left to the states to handle if the people of the state to choose to do so.

    It is the individuals in the states that decide whether or not to require state initiated UHC

    I prefer competitive solutions to the healthcare problem and people making their own choices. that isn't the case with Obamacare

    We are a govt. of the people where that govt. is closest to the people. Our Founders put the power at the state level, liberals are forcing it at the Federal level and that is only creating greater power and dependence.

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Correcting your canned misinformation talking points is not trolling.
    I was asked about the uninsured, Medicaid is an insurance program

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    We are a govt. of the people where that govt. is closest to the people. Our Founders put the power at the state level, liberals are forcing it at the Federal level and that is only creating greater power and dependence.
    The Articles of Confederation were dissolved in 1789.

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