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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Ok, so you are for forcing people to purchase something they don't want to buy?
    IF you dont want to purchase insurance or go through the exchange you pay a fine. Your not forced to you have to pay a one time fine.

    You believe that providing access assures good quality and service? Where is an example of that in anything forced upon you by the Federal Govt?
    Yes. If we wanna go by the ol "free market" line the more people buy something and go into a competive market insurance companies will offer better coverage and compete for that better coverage.


    Why is this even a Federal issue? If MA is working so well why aren't all states implementing that program? You see, you are being sold a bill of goods and the ignorance of the supporters is staggering.
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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    You are still wrong!!! The sad part is you are the only that believe's your bs. You provide nothing to back up your claims and never do you want others to post proof but you never do yourself. Just mindless rants which is par for the course with the nutballs that are running the Republican party. Take a look at Cruz you are basiccally like him.
    I back my statements up all the time, go to BLS.gov, and see how many people in TX are making minimum wage and compare then go to the California Public works site and see how many are working for minimum wage in that state. I could post the information again but you and others would just ignore it and run as usual.

    As for the uninsured numbers, that is easy to find as well, just Google what you want and it will appear from reputable sites. Did you ever question where the numbers of uninsured come from and what makes up those numbers? If you choose to be uninsured are you counted? If you are self insured are you counted? If you are eligible for Medicaid but don't sign up are you counted as uninsured? Don't you think those are questions that should be answered by supporters?

    Seems that mindless rants to a liberal like you are any that make you think and make you look foolish.

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    TheDemSocialist;1062358312]IF you dont want to purchase insurance or go through the exchange you pay a fine. Your not forced to you have to pay a one time fine.
    So you think paying a fine is going to pay for Obamacare shortfall? Why should anyone be forced to pay a federal fine for not purchasing insurance in a state whose citizens are responsible for the fees of the uninsured?


    Yes. If we wanna go by the ol "free market" line the more people buy something and go into a competive market insurance companies will offer better coverage and compete for that better coverage.
    More people today choose not to buy insurance or to be self insured. Do you really believe it is the responsibility of the Federal Govt. to take on personal choice issues? Why do you believe this is a Federal issue? Do you think you people in Kansas pay for the uninsured in TX?


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    Or could it be more about power and giving the Federal govt. more money to spend? You think service and quality are improved in MA? Do you think a Federal Bureaucrat is better served to handle state and local issues?

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I back my statements up all the time, go to BLS.gov, and see how many people in TX are making minimum wage and compare then go to the California Public works site and see how many are working for minimum wage in that state. I could post the information again but you and others would just ignore it and run as usual.

    As for the uninsured numbers, that is easy to find as well, just Google what you want and it will appear from reputable sites. Did you ever question where the numbers of uninsured come from and what makes up those numbers? If you choose to be uninsured are you counted? If you are self insured are you counted? If you are eligible for Medicaid but don't sign up are you counted as uninsured? Don't you think those are questions that should be answered by supporters?

    Seems that mindless rants to a liberal like you are any that make you think and make you look foolish.
    No you dont! and you havent in this thread when someone else called you out.

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    I'm sure the millions herded into Siberian gulags thought the commie's logic was flawed as they died
    what difference did it make?

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    No you dont! and you havent in this thread when someone else called you out.
    I have given you the sites but you choose not to go there expecting me to provide the information again which you will just ignore. What are you afraid of? When you go to the Bureau of Labor Statistics site you will find that TX has a labor force of 12.8 million people and 12 million of them are working. of that work force 500,000 are making minimum wage which makes it about 4% of the labor force. Want to compare that to any other state? When you go to the California Labor site you will find that there are over 1.6 million workers making California minimum wage which is 8% of the 18 million labor force so please tell me which state is worse off?

    Then regarding insurance, ask those sites where their information comes from you will find it comes from the U.S Census bureau and little research goes into it. If someone is uninsured there is no reason given, could be by choice, could be by ignorance, could be because they are self insured but regardless those sites you post recognize that their numbers are overstated.

    You seem to only demand proof from conservatives and even when provided the proof you still want to believe the leftwing rhetoric. Why is that? Why such loyalty to a failed ideology

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Except that Cruz' filibuster, which technically was not a filibuster (confused yet? - LOL), lasted a little over an hour. What the hell was that? Was THAT the amount of time he was able to stand on his feet? Jesus!! I know people who stood in line for hours just to get an iPhone. Cruz - You are a pussy. LOL.

    Article is here.
    Heck, there are people who wait hours in line just to VOTE.

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You seem to only demand proof from conservatives and even when provided the proof you still want to believe the leftwing rhetoric. Why is that? Why such loyalty to a failed ideology
    You tell us. Conservatism has failed every time it's been tried.

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Number one, I never said all the Tea Party candidates elected were "big mouths" or problems. In fact, I admire many if not pretty much all of them because they have stuck to the principles by which they were elected and stuck to the wishes of the constituents in their districts who sent them to Washington. Not all of them by any stretch are big mouth fools and it's foolish of you to take my comments about one Senator and extrapolate that over the entire Tea Party contingent in congress.

    Number two, Republicans lost seats in the last election both in the House and in the Senate. Particularly, in the Senate, they lost multiple seats they should have won had they not primaried out viable candidates that had been proven winners and not primaried in unelectible buffoons in races where the Democrat candidate was easily defeatable. Missouri and the "preventable rape" ignoramous quickly comes to mind as an example.

    Finally, if you don't realize that since 1994 the Republicans actually gained and then lost control of the Senate you've got no business telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. But you continue to find pride in "losing by less" in the past election. You're probably one of those great Republican minds who talks glowingly about Obama winning less of the vote in 2012 than he did in 2008 as if that's somehow a great accomplishment.
    These same Tea Party candidates that you claim to admire are the same ones that support the "big mouth Cruz" as you refer to him, in his efforts in the Senate.

    Second, I was giving data from the 2010 midterm election, since you included the last two elections, and the data for that election proved your comments to be in error.

    Third, the Republicans did not lose multiple seats as you exaggerate, they lost two. The data is in and says the base of the Republican party did not show up to vote in the last election because they are tired of the "elites" getting behind a candidate there is little difference between them and the Democrat. Romney and Romneycare? Seriously? What were they thinking? These yahoos went after Gingrich and Santorum with viciousness I have never seen before. Gingrich was actually ahead in the polls early on but because of folks like the great Karl Rove and Romney's elite support, the poison penned op ed pieces from Krauthammer to NRO hit the presses against Romney's opponents. Then to make sure their guy looked like he won the primary in Iowa, they hid the fact that Santorum won until AFTER the New Hampshire primary to give their guy Romney momentum. It all stunk to high heaven. And maybe if the Republican party allowed a stronger candidate that one could actually tell the difference between a Democrat and the Republican, most likely a lot more races especially in the Senate would have created a change in majority because a lot more of the base would have showed up to vote.
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