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Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

Conservative said:
Works for me as he is a better alternative than the empty suit incompetent there now. Results never matter to an Obama supporter and bringing up those results is racist. Only in the liberal world is it racist to point out the negative results of the guy in the Oval office today.
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Empty suit incompetent there now? Oh, you must be talking about Bush III.

It's racist to point out negative results? OK, then, let's see if we can come up with an answer to that one:

Here we go:

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Conservative said:
And exactly what part of that over 2000 pages do you want me to look at? You want badly to buy what you are told so I am waiting for you to explain how adding millions more to the roles will lower costs and improve quality and why Obama is exempting so many from the law? What really is a shame is that results don't matter to people like you. Obama has yet to keep an economic promise or have a prediction accurate yet this one for some reason, which makes no sense, is the one program that will work. Makes no sense to any thinking person.
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maybe you should looking up the information on this website.

https://www.healthcare.gov/

yes it is the official link for the health care program, but it is a good place to start.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Empty suit incompetent there now? Oh, you must be talking about Bush III.

It's racist to point out negative results? OK, then, let's see if we can come up with an answer to that one:

Here we go:

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What is incompetent is what we have right now and what we will continue to have with Obama in the WH. He lacked the experience and the skills necessary for the job but far too many bought the rhetoric and continue to buy it today. You can continue to blame Bush but like far too many you have no idea what Bush actually accomplished nor does it matter today. what matters today is the reality that we have a 17 trillion dollar debt, stagnant economy, massive dependence on the Federal govt, high unemployment and under employment yet none o that matters including the declining Obama JAR. Keep buying the rhetoric
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
maybe you should looking up the information on this website.

https://www.healthcare.gov/

yes it is the official link for the health care program, but it is a good place to start.
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History says you are wrong, liberal entitlement programs always cost more and do less than predicted. All those exempted people from the program and those healthy young people who will pay the fine vs, subscribing will create another nightmare for this country and the taxpayers. Apparently you don't care. Tell me where all these "newly" insured people are going to get treatment? Why has MA healthcare costs increased? Why is it the Federal Taxpayers' responsibility to pay for your personal responsibility issues? How about answering the questions with that brain God gave you?
 
Conservative said:
What is incompetent is what we have right now and what we will continue to have with Obama in the WH. He lacked the experience and the skills necessary for the job but far too many bought the rhetoric and continue to buy it today. You can continue to blame Bush but like far too many you have no idea what Bush actually accomplished nor does it matter today. what matters today is the reality that we have a 17 trillion dollar debt, stagnant economy, massive dependence on the Federal govt, high unemployment and under employment yet none o that matters including the declining Obama JAR. Keep buying the rhetoric
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My point is not that Bush is to blame, but that the current president is not a whole lot different from Bush.

Anyway, back to Obamacare, which parts of it do you find objectionable? Is it:

individual mandate,
stay on parents' policy to age 26,
no more excluding "pre existing conditions",
state by state groups that individuals can buy into,
subsidized premiums for people without a lot of money,
it was passed by Democrats
 
Conservative said:
History says you are wrong, liberal entitlement programs always cost more and do less than predicted. All those exempted people from the program and those healthy young people who will pay the fine vs, subscribing will create another nightmare for this country and the taxpayers. Apparently you don't care. Tell me where all these "newly" insured people are going to get treatment? Why has MA healthcare costs increased? Why is it the Federal Taxpayers' responsibility to pay for your personal responsibility issues? How about answering the questions with that brain God gave you?
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All this boils down to is a philosophical difference over healthcare. Conservatives like yourself see healthcare insurance as a service, not a right, and they resist any attempt at the government getting involved.

Liberals however see healthcare as a right. Its a right because healthcare is related to one's right to life, and liberals think it is wrong that people can be denied treatment, and possibly of their life, because insurance company won't cover the cost of the medical procedure. people's lives should not be valued just by how much they are able to pay, and one should live in fear of their life being ruined by a 50,000 dollar or more healthcare bill.
 
Dittohead not! said:
My point is not that Bush is to blame, but that the current president is not a whole lot different from Bush.

Anyway, back to Obamacare, which parts of it do you find objectionable? Is it:

individual mandate,
stay on parents' policy to age 26,
no more excluding "pre existing conditions",
state by state groups that individuals can buy into,
subsidized premiums for people without a lot of money,
it was passed by Democrats
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The current President is a "street thug" who lacks any leadership or executive skills. He is the "do as I say" President not "do as I do" President as he sets a terrible standard for people to see and follow

I find all aspects of Obamacare objectionable because they all give too much power to the Federal Govt. Healthcare is an individual responsibility best left to the states to handle since it is the people of the state that pay the bills for the uninsured.

There are enough programs now available to people who CHOOSE to use them, forcing them into a program violates the freedoms guaranteed including the freedom to be stupid. When will liberals stop trying to legislate personal responsibility and stupidity
 
Conservative said:
I find all aspects of Obamacare objectionable because they all give too much power to the Federal Govt. Healthcare is an individual responsibility best left to the states to handle since it is the people of the state that pay the bills for the uninsured.
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Again why do you keep lying. Medicaid is a 50 50 deal
 
Conservative said:
The current President is a "street thug" who lacks any leadership or executive skills. He is the "do as I say" President not "do as I do" President as he sets a terrible standard for people to see and follow

I find all aspects of Obamacare objectionable because they all give too much power to the Federal Govt. Healthcare is an individual responsibility best left to the states to handle since it is the people of the state that pay the bills for the uninsured.

There are enough programs now available to people who CHOOSE to use them, forcing them into a program violates the freedoms guaranteed including the freedom to be stupid. When will liberals stop trying to legislate personal responsibility and stupidity
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an individual responsibility best left to the states?

If it's an individual responsibility, wouldn't it be best left to the individual?

But, if the individual has health issues, then he/she can't get insurance, or couldn't before Obamacare. So, you must be in favor of the "no pre existing conditions" rule.

and then there's the individual mandate. If you're willing to let the individual make stupid decisions and live with them, then the individual mandate is a bad idea. If, on the other hand, you're willing to let the state, the feds, the ratepayers bail out individuals who opt out of health insurance and run into problems, then the individual mandate is simply making them be responsible.
 
Unitedwestand13;1062365925]All this boils down to is a philosophical difference over healthcare. Conservatives like yourself see healthcare insurance as a service, not a right, and they resist any attempt at the government getting involved.
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The freedom to be stupid is also a right but liberals cannot legislate stupidity or there wouldn't be any liberals. Healthcare is a personal responsibility issue and there are programs at the state level to handle those issues, that is where healthcare belongs.

Liberals however see healthcare as a right. Its a right because healthcare is related to one's right to life, and liberals think it is wrong that people can be denied treatment, and possibly of their life, because insurance company won't cover the cost of the medical procedure. people's lives should not be valued just by how much they are able to pay, and one should live in fear of their life being ruined by a 50,000 dollar or more healthcare bill.
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Show me where healthcare is a federal taxpayer responsibility in the Constitution? It isn't a right, it is a personal responsibility. People aren't being denied treatment, that is liberal spin. Who are you to tell people what they can or cannot do or purchase. I had over 50% of my workforce CHOOSE not to participate in the company healthcare program yet according to you personal choice and responsibility only exist on programs that you or other liberals deem as important. Explain to me why it is my responsibility to pay for your healthcare?
 
winston53660 said:
Again why do you keep lying. Medicaid is a 50 50 deal
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And Medicaid is an insurance program, we aren't talking about insurance programs only the uninsured. You still don't get it and never will as you continue to play your trolling games. I take that back, you do get it but prefer attention.
 
Conservative said:
And Medicaid is an insurance program, we aren't talking about insurance programs only the uninsured. You still don't get it and never will as you continue to play your trolling games. I take that back, you do get it but prefer attention.
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Correcting your canned misinformation talking points is not trolling.
 
Dittohead not! said:
an individual responsibility best left to the states?

If it's an individual responsibility, wouldn't it be best left to the individual?

But, if the individual has health issues, then he/she can't get insurance, or couldn't before Obamacare. So, you must be in favor of the "no pre existing conditions" rule.

and then there's the individual mandate. If you're willing to let the individual make stupid decisions and live with them, then the individual mandate is a bad idea. If, on the other hand, you're willing to let the state, the feds, the ratepayers bail out individuals who opt out of health insurance and run into problems, then the individual mandate is simply making them be responsible.
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No, individual responsibility best left to the states to handle if the people of the state to choose to do so.

It is the individuals in the states that decide whether or not to require state initiated UHC

I prefer competitive solutions to the healthcare problem and people making their own choices. that isn't the case with Obamacare

We are a govt. of the people where that govt. is closest to the people. Our Founders put the power at the state level, liberals are forcing it at the Federal level and that is only creating greater power and dependence.
 
Conservative said:
We are a govt. of the people where that govt. is closest to the people. Our Founders put the power at the state level, liberals are forcing it at the Federal level and that is only creating greater power and dependence.
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The Articles of Confederation were dissolved in 1789.
 
winston53660 said:
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Guess that just goes to show why your new leaning is liberal even though you cannot admit it. I do believe I was uninsured before I got insurance but apparently I could be wrong.
 
Conservative said:
Then if you spent that much time in the healthcare field you understand who pays the costs of the uninsured and it isn't the Federal Taxpayer thus why is it a Federal responsibility? Doesn't look to me like you understand the law at all nor why so many have been exempted. You fail to understand that all this law does is give bureaucrats more money to spend and more control. It might create access but does nothing to lower costs and improve quality.

You call the GOP awful, based upon what? the results show Obama to be awful but that isn't an issue with many who buy the rhetoric and ignore the results. Please explain to us all please the credible sites that show Obama economic results to be successful? Show me one economic prediction made by Obama that has been accurate?

You want badly to believe what you are told because you think with your heart and not your brain.
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As I said, I don't think I'd be out a lot of money if I bet I knew the ins and outs ore than you.

We all pay for uninsured and underinsured. Federal, state, county...you name it. Maybe it doesn't hit the federal govt with a direct bill, but a portion of it gets there to be sure, in Medicaid and medical education funding, among others.

You keep whining about some website about economic policies. Don't you have teh Google? It's a pretty nice tool.
 
Conservative said:
Guess that just goes to show why your new leaning is liberal even though you cannot admit it. I do believe I was uninsured before I got insurance but apparently I could be wrong.
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Your sophistry is transparent. You are a great example.
 
conservative said:
guess that just goes to show why your new leaning is liberal even though you cannot admit it. I do believe i was uninsured before i got insurance but apparently i could be wrong.
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BURP!:2wave:
 
Threegoofs said:
As I said, I don't think I'd be out a lot of money if I bet I knew the ins and outs ore than you.

We all pay for uninsured and underinsured. Federal, state, county...you name it. Maybe it doesn't hit the federal govt with a direct bill, but a portion of it gets there to be sure, in Medicaid and medical education funding, among others.

You keep whining about some website about economic policies. Don't you have teh Google? It's a pretty nice tool.
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Why don't you Google the history of Medicare and SS as well? Why do you believe the Federal Govt. can implement any program successfully at a lower cost and get better results? Why is it that liberals like you who apparently cannot convince your own state to implement a UHC program always looks to the Federal govt. or the courts to do it or you? You want badly to ignore tha thealthcare is a personal responsibility issue not a Federal issue and with the history against you still support throwing more federal taxpayer dollars at the problem.
 
winston53660 said:
Your sophistry is transparent. You are a great example.
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I guess that is why I will always be more successful in life than you, success of course by my standards and my analysis something you obviously understand quite well.
 
Conservative said:
I guess that is why I will always be more successful in life than you, success of course by my standards and my analysis something you obviously understand quite well.
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are you pounding your chest ?

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