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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Speaking of health insurance and of Texas' 25.7% uninsured rate This is What the TMA has to say about it:

    Medical Impact of Lacking Health Insurance

    The uninsured are up to four times less likely to have a regular source of health care and are more likely to die from health-related problems. They are much less likely to receive needed medical care, even for symptoms that can have serious health consequences if not treated. About one in four Texans lives at or below the poverty level; for children, it's nearly one in three. Extending health coverage to the uninsured could improve their overall health by 7 to 8 percent. Lack of insurance increases their dependence on Medicaid.

    Financial Impact of Texas' Uninsured Crisis

    Lacking a medical home, uninsured people tend to look for health care in the emergency room, the most expensive setting they could possibly choose. Nationally, patients made over 123 million emergency room visits in 2008. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says that about 8 percent (9.9 million) of ER visits are for non-urgent issues that could be treated in a doctor's office or clinic.

    Using Medicaid payment rates and data on Medicaid patients' unnecessary emergency room visits, the Legislative Budget Board estimates that a condition that could be treated in a doctor's office for $56.21 (including lab and x-ray) costs $193.92 in the emergency room. National studies back up that data, finding, for example, that the charge for treating an ear infection in the emergency room is $170 versus $55 in a family physician's office.

    Taxpayers, Texans with insurance, and employers who offer health benefits also pay extra for caring for the uninsured. Families USA estimated the total cost for Texas in 2005 to be more than $9.2 billion. Of that:

    The patients and their families pay about half ($4.6 billion);
    Government health programs pay one-sixth ($1.6 billion); and
    Those with private health insurance subsidize the remaining third ($3 billion).
    Texas hospitals spent about $208 million treating uninsured trauma patients in 2003. To cover these costs, hospitals charge insured patients higher prices, which in turn drives up insurance premiums. In what Families USA calls a "vicious cycle," those increased costs are added to already-rising health insurance premiums, leading more employers to drop coverage, and leaving even more people without insurance. That further adds to premiums for the insured and further boosts the roles of the uninsured.

    In 2005, typical premiums for family health insurance coverage provided by private employers in the U.S. include an extra $922 in premiums due to the cost of care for the uninsured. In Texas, because of the very large percentage of uninsured, that figure is $1,551. By 2010, the national average will catch up to Texas' current figure; by then, the annual cost per Texas family will soar to $2,786.

    - See more at: The Uninsured in Texas

    But we all know you really don't care about Texas or its citizens.
    You and others like you love to post poll numbers showing how poorly you believe TX ranks in the number insured yet totally ignore the number of people in TX who CHOOSE not to purchase insurance when offered, the number of people in TX classified as uninsured who are eligible for taxpayer funded insurance that they choose not to take, the number of people in TX who are self insured. Further you and your ilk choose to ignore who actually pays for the cost of the uninsured in the various states. You seem to think it is the Federal Taxpayer when the reality is it is the state taxpayers that fund most of it if not all therefore making it a state issue not a federal issue.

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You and others like you love to post poll numbers
    Uhmm those aren't polls

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Didn't ignore that in the first place:
    Do you have a point? Mine continues to be insurance is a choice that millions of Americans choose not to participate in and that insurance costs for the uninsured are bourn by the state not the Federal taxpayers. You conveniently ignored those facts. If the people of TX want UHC then let the people of TX implement it, that isn't the role of the Federal Govt.

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    It was factually correct
    And Politifact was wrong. They are not a sacred unbiased source.

    Thanks for clarifying

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do you have a point?
    You were wrong again is the point

    Mine continues to be insurance is a choice that millions of Americans choose not to participate in and that insurance costs for the uninsured are bourn by the state not the Federal taxpayers. You conveniently ignored those facts. If the people of TX want UHC then let the people of TX implement it, that isn't the role of the Federal Govt.
    And again you are wrong, medicaid is a 50/50 program.

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Uhmm those aren't polls
    no, those are numbers that don't tell the entire story, a story you want to ignore. IF someone doesn't want insurance where are they counted in those numbers? If someone is self insured where are they counted in those numbers? If someone has access to a taxpayer funded insurance program like Medicaid where are they counted in those numbers you post?

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    You were wrong again is the point



    And again you are wrong, medicaid is a 50/50 program.
    Yes, administered by the state to those who seek it. Where are those eligible for Medicaid counted when they don't seek the insurance available to them

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    no, those are numbers that don't tell the entire story, a story you want to ignore. IF someone doesn't want insurance where are they counted in those numbers? If someone is self insured where are they counted in those numbers? If someone has access to a taxpayer funded insurance program like Medicaid where are they counted in those numbers you post?

    YAY 10,000 questions

    Put some effort, Why don't ya go google it.

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

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    Yes, administered by the state to those who seek it. Where are those eligible for Medicaid counted when they don't seek the insurance available to them
    You can go google the rules for medicaid here:

    Texas Medicaid Program

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    Re: Ted Cruz launches faux filibuster as Senate readies spending bill vote

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    YAY 10,000 questions

    Put some effort, Why don't ya go google it.
    Same old Winston, still seeking attention and refusing to answer direct questions. You posted numbers, don't you think you should understand what goes into those numbers? are you this desperate for supporting massive growth in the entitlement mentality?

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