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Boy punished for air soft guns in yard

He wasn't even AT SCHOOL - and he was expelled? Goddamn - how is that even LEGAL?

Apparently we need to pass legislation that defines the limit of school authorities. . . and they did this without having to give legal justification? The suspension was bad enough.

To be fair, there was confusion in the article and on the parts of the parents. They were suspended for a year, not actually expelled permanently.
 
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Again, provide my some link or evidence that verifies your statement other than just you saying it if you expect me to buy that. Because on the surface it doesn't make sense. For example, if smoking in a public park is legal in a state but illegal to do "on school grounds", what you're saying is someone smoking in a park would be violating hte law if a teacher brought kids to the park because it suddenly officially becomes "School grounds". This makes zero sense. Without something to substantiate your claim other than "I was told this in a class" why should anyone believe it?

As to the link you posted...yes, the SCHOOL states they feel their zero tolerance policy expands to private property. Note, that's not them saying that private property becomes "school grounds", but that they simply feel their zero tolerance policy extends anywhere. Beyond that, of COURSE the school is going to state they feel that their policy allows them to do what they did...they're not going to come out and claim they COULDN'T do what they did.

For something you say there's "no debate" about, there's a hell of a lot of debate.

Unfortunately for me, I can't find anything to back up my statement about school grounds being extended to where students are present.

My instructor also told me that the Texas license fee was cut in half to $70.00. What I discovered was that that lower fee is only for indigent people. You must send in a tax form or other paper to prove that you are broke. How many indigent people can afford ammo now-a-days? lol!

It looks like the parents of these two suspended boys might have a case. They'll never win it though. The education system is too powerfully lawyered.
Maybe the outcome of this case will settle my "no debate" topic. I could use that right about now, but it will be years before it gets decided.
 
To be fair, there was confusion in the article and on the parts of the parents. They were suspended for a year, not actually expelled permanently.

LOL.

Of course - flawed facts. Reporters and Journalists suck these days.
 
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Yeah, in some peoples minds kids should use 'water wings', and stay in the shallow end of the pool until age 18 as well, but thank goodness those people don't have a say in the raising of other peoples children....It is up to the parents to determine what they think is safe for their own children on their own property, whether it is stupid or not is not up to you, or me.
No, sorry. A parent may be able to decide what's best for his own children, but they aren't allowed to let their children endanger other children. Also, water wings are not comparable to weapons. Cars might be more comparable.
 
No, sorry. A parent may be able to decide what's best for his own children, but they aren't allowed to let their children endanger other children. Also, water wings are not comparable to weapons. Cars might be more comparable.

Still not up to you. Why is it that liberals think they need be involved in other people's business?
 
I can't wait to see this defended. It seems zero tolerance should be for the real thing. Boys have been known to show up with real guns in back packs. No tolerance for that is appropriate.


VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (WAVY) - A seventh grade Virginia Beach student previously suspended for shooting an airsoft gun has been expelled, WAVY.com has learned.

During a hearing Tuesday morning, Aidan Clark was expelled in a unanimous vote. The fate of Khalid Caraballo remains unknown at this time.

Like thousands of others in Hampton Roads, Khalid Caraballo plays with airsoft guns. Caraballo and his friend Aidan were suspended because they shot two other friends who were with them while playing with the guns as they waited for the school bus.

The two seventh graders say they never went to the bus stop; they fired the airsoft guns while on Caraballo's private property.

Aidan’s father, Tim Clark, told WAVY.com what happened next lacks commons sense. The children were suspended for possession, handling and use of a firearm.


http://www.wavy.com/news/local/va-beach/has-zero-tolerance-gone-too-far
Fyi airsoft guns are not bb or pellit guns. Airsoft guns are made and intended for shooting at other people. Its a game.
 
To be fair, there was confusion in the article and on the parts of the parents. They were suspended for a year, not actually expelled permanently.

Thanks for that info. Can't always believe the MSM either.
 
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Well if this boy has a history of causing trouble, then maybe I could understand the actions of the school more. Of course we never know the WHOLE story, just what the media decides to tell us.

Sincé when is it for the school to do anything when the kid is not a danger of any kind at school?
 
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Sincé when is it for the school to do anything when the kid is not a danger of any kind at school?

When an out of control undisciplined child is shooting other children at the bus stop.
 
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When an out of control undisciplined child is shooting other children at the bus stop.

There were no kids shot at a bus stop. Even if there were this did not happen at school and an expulsión is to protect other children on school grounds. This expulsión does not stop them from doing the exact same thing again, so what is the point of the expulsión other tan for the school to flex muscle they shouldn't have to flex.
 
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There were no kids shot at a bus stop. Even if there were this did not happen at school and an expulsión is to protect other children on school grounds. This expulsión does not stop them from doing the exact same thing again, so what is the point of the expulsión other tan for the school to flex muscle they shouldn't have to flex.

Well, I really don't know. I'm just saying if these kids have a history in school of being troublemakers, perhaps that's why this was the straw that broke the camel's back.
 
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Well, I really don't know. I'm just saying if these kids have a history in school of being troublemakers, perhaps that's why this was the straw that broke the camel's back.

The thing is, is that I didn't see anything in any reports that the kids were any trouble at all at school. This happened in the kids front yard and the school wants to stretch its arms to said front yard which it should not.
 
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The thing is, is that I didn't see anything in any reports that the kids were any trouble at all at school. This happened in the kids front yard and the school wants to stretch its arms to said front yard which it should not.

Well if they are shooting AT kids (regardless of whether they actually shot them or not, I mean REALLY :lol:) while waiting for a school bus to pick them up, then I don't find it all that outrageous that the school would want to be involved.

I can see your point about private property and all, but that doesn't mean you can shoot toy guns at people either. Those pellets DO hurt. They can break skin and get imbedded in your body too.

Perhaps when the school got the report about the incident, they should have left it to the police, but I don't know what the school's jurisdiction would include when it comes to bus stops.
 
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Well if they are shooting AT kids (regardless of whether they actually shot them or not, I mean REALLY :lol:) while waiting for a school bus to pick them up, then I don't find it all that outrageous that the school would want to be involved.

I can see your point about private property and all, but that doesn't mean you can shoot toy guns at people either. Those pellets DO hurt. They can break skin and get imbedded in your body too.

Perhaps when the school got the report about the incident, they should have left it to the police, but I don't know what the school's jurisdiction would include when it comes to bus stops.

There were no kids shot at the bus stop. The report said some kids were onthe way to the bus stop, if you believe what the kids said. As it has been pointed out, it would have taken a miracle for a kid to have gotten shot so far away from the kids front yard. The pólice were called and they found there was no case there but the school acted anyway.

If a kid had been shot, there would have been something done by the pólice.

I will believe the pólice over a kid that says he got shot any day.
 
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There were no kids shot at the bus stop. The report said some kids were onthe way to the bus stop, if you believe what the kids said. As it has been pointed out, it would have taken a miracle for a kid to have gotten shot so far away from the kids front yard. The pólice were called and they found there was no case there but the school acted anyway.

If a kid had been shot, there would have been something done by the pólice.

I will believe the pólice over a kid that says he got shot any day.

I said shooting at, regardless of whether someone was shot.
 
Well if they are shooting AT kids (regardless of whether they actually shot them or not, I mean REALLY :lol:) while waiting for a school bus to pick them up, then I don't find it all that outrageous that the school would want to be involved.

I can see your point about private property and all, but that doesn't mean you can shoot toy guns at people either. Those pellets DO hurt. They can break skin and get imbedded in your body too.

Perhaps when the school got the report about the incident, they should have left it to the police, but I don't know what the school's jurisdiction would include when it comes to bus stops.

Sorry Crissy but your premise is not what the op article said.
 
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Well if they are shooting AT kids (regardless of whether they actually shot them or not, I mean REALLY :lol:) while waiting for a school bus to pick them up, then I don't find it all that outrageous that the school would want to be involved.

I can see your point about private property and all, but that doesn't mean you can shoot toy guns at people either. Those pellets DO hurt. They can break skin and get imbedded in your body too.

Perhaps when the school got the report about the incident, they should have left it to the police, but I don't know what the school's jurisdiction would include when it comes to bus stops.

It still isn't the school's place to take action that has no bearing on the students' academic behavior or behavior at school. It didn't even happen in a place that the school could be held legally liable. In fact, if the school were to be taken to court by a parent of one of the students "shot" by the rifle, their first/main defense would be that it did not happen in a place of their jurisdiction or responsibility. It didn't happen on school property at all nor even at the bus stop, but on private property. Any lawsuits would have to be against the property owners/parents of the shooter(s).
 
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It still isn't the school's place to take action that has no bearing on the students' academic behavior or behavior at school. It didn't even happen in a place that the school could be held legally liable. In fact, if the school were to be taken to court by a parent of one of the students "shot" by the rifle, their first/main defense would be that it did not happen in a place of their jurisdiction or responsibility. It didn't happen on school property at all nor even at the bus stop, but on private property. Any lawsuits would have to be against the property owners/parents of the shooter(s).

Well, from what I read it's one person's (or group of people - whatever) word against another's, as far as where the incident took place. I don't know if anything has actually been settled in this case, so I don't know if any of us know what actually happened. I'm just saying that if it did take place a bus stop, that could be considered the school's jurisdiction, I'm not sure.
 
Sorry Crissy but your premise is not what the op article said.

Yes, I misread, and thought it said that they were shooting towards a bus stop. When I think it meant they were just present at a bus stop. :shrug: Who knows, and I was just making a comment about jurisdiction of the school basically.
 
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Well, from what I read it's one person's (or group of people - whatever) word against another's, as far as where the incident took place. I don't know if anything has actually been settled in this case, so I don't know if any of us know what actually happened. I'm just saying that if it did take place a bus stop, that could be considered the school's jurisdiction, I'm not sure.

Well, I personally don't think that schools should be responsible for anything that happens "at the bus stop" either, but that isn't the point. Their main defense would undeniably be "it wasn't at the bus stop" or "it isn't in our area of responsibility". The gun was not shot from the bus stop, whether the person claiming to be shot was there or not. This means it would not be the school's responsibility legally. They are overstepping themselves because the shooter happened to go to their school. I have no doubt that the school board doesn't even care if their was anyone shot, nor where they were shot, but only that the shooter was a student and they found out about it.
 
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Well, I personally don't think that schools should be responsible for anything that happens "at the bus stop" either, but that isn't the point. Their main defense would undeniably be "it wasn't at the bus stop" or "it isn't in our area of responsibility". The gun was not shot from the bus stop, whether the person claiming to be shot was there or not. This means it would not be the school's responsibility legally. They are overstepping themselves because the shooter happened to go to their school. I have no doubt that the school board doesn't even care if their was anyone shot, nor where they were shot, but only that the shooter was a student and they found out about it.

Meh, I really don't care that much about this to get into a full blown argument. I was just making a comment.
 
I can't wait to see this defended. It seems zero tolerance should be for the real thing. Boys have been known to show up with real guns in back packs. No tolerance for that is appropriate.


VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (WAVY) - A seventh grade Virginia Beach student previously suspended for shooting an airsoft gun has been expelled, WAVY.com has learned.

During a hearing Tuesday morning, Aidan Clark was expelled in a unanimous vote. The fate of Khalid Caraballo remains unknown at this time.

Like thousands of others in Hampton Roads, Khalid Caraballo plays with airsoft guns. Caraballo and his friend Aidan were suspended because they shot two other friends who were with them while playing with the guns as they waited for the school bus.

The two seventh graders say they never went to the bus stop; they fired the airsoft guns while on Caraballo's private property.

Aidan’s father, Tim Clark, told WAVY.com what happened next lacks commons sense. The children were suspended for possession, handling and use of a firearm.


WAVY - Has zero tolerance gone too far | WAVY.com | Virginia Beach

And progressives deny they're fascists?

Ha......

Let me guess Republicans were behind this little act of insanity? rhetorical obviously..

Oh yeah - but progressives aren't fascists!

Typical - from happy meals to soda...

Fascists...
 
Yeah most progressives a "meh" or have no opinon but when I call them fascists in other threads they will say "prove it."

Of course they will say "I don't support that" while every POS progressive in this nation will....

You know you do progressives but you just cant admit it - you will certainly vote the same asshole that proposes such bans and legislation without question just so you get something for free.....
 
Me and my friends used to play "army" when I was a kid - we would bring our toy guns to school and have a hoot before school, recess and after school...

I suppose that was nothing compared to tackle football..

I even broke my collarbone playing that contact game, and my parents never sued and once I was healed I was back playing tackle football..

The best part is we didn't even have a flippn' football to play football - we used a stick - seriously - a stick

Of course this is back in 1987-1988.....

Now days coaches are fined 200 bucks and suspended a week for beating teams by 35 points or more...

Progressives...
 
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