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    Re: Boy expelled for air soft guns in yard

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm not sure how you know this, but I'll take it at face value. Here's what one of two reviews says:



    (Reviewer's all-caps; not mine.) Ahem.
    While the pellets something like this would fire will puncture a sheet of paper out to 20' or so they aren't particularly dangerous. Sure, eye protection is always a good idea when you're messing with anything that might fling a projectile but getting hit by something like this even on bare skin isn't going to do much damage. The pellets are lightweight plastic so even at 400FPS they don't have much energy. One of these pellets would exert roughly 35 footpounds of energy on the target while a baseball thrown at 40mph would be closer to 550 footpounds of energy*.

    *Assuming my math is right.

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    Re: Boy expelled for air soft guns in yard

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'd just like to say that I can't remember a thread where my opinion was so highly disagreed with. But I'd like to restate my opinion to see if some have lost sight of the original thought.

    I think these airsoft guns are dangerous when not used with eye protection. Firing willy-nilly around a school bus pick-up point is stupid, at the very least. Dangerous at most. (One boy was running away and got hit...that's enough for me.) If it was my kid, he'd have the gun taken away for a good long time -- until he learned to respect the rules. Because I would most certainly have rules that one never shoots it when there is any chance a kid might be hit who isn't part of the game and who isn't wearing eye protection -- including my kid.

    I'd be furious that the school suspended him for using a "firearm". I would do everything in my power to get that amended to "replica firearm" which is, apparently, what these things are.

    While it may be over the top for the school to get involved, because it happened in or around a school bus stop, I can't say I'd blame them. That would be the least of my concerns if this was my kid.

    He could have blinded someone.

    So. There.
    Let's not forget that there was also a 911 call concerning at least one of these kids and his airsoft just three days prior. Most likely he was informed of the rules at that time.

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    Re: Boy expelled for air soft guns in yard

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Really? Well, maybe I don't understand what an airsoft gun is. I understand it shoots plastic pellets using compressed air. If you hit someone in the eye with one, can you blind them? If you can, then it has no business EVER being aimed at a human being. Nor being shot anywhere someone could accidentally get hit with it.

    Sometimes I think I'm in the Twilight Zone.
    It would take quite a bit of bad luck to get blinded by this type of airsoft gun. I once took a shot in the eye (eyelid closed) and it stung a little but nothing even minor. To lose an eye, you'd have to get shot in the eye, eye open, from a pretty close range (less than 5 yards, probably) and still have some bad luck crazy stuff go on. These things don't really even bruise you. If you get shot in the chest wearing more than a t-shirt, even from a couple yards away, you won't feel much.

    In high school, friends and I would shoot these at each other all the time. You could literally see them coming at you from 10 yards away. We'd have issues because people wouldn't feel themselves get hit. A paintball gun is much much much much much more dangerous than the toy airsoft guns kids will have.
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    Re: Boy expelled for air soft guns in yard

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
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    Boy punished for air soft guns in yardLet's stop with this kind of stuff. Montecresto was following the rules which require the titles of threads in the *Breaking News* sections to exactly match the title of the article. These kind of comments need to cease
    That is all well and good but the title of the linked article is "Boys punished for airsoft guns in yard"

    Notice the difference in the wording.

    I already told him I was being sarcastic and joking. No big deal.

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    Re: Boy expelled for air soft guns in yard

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And so the point here is getting expelled for the rest of the school year on a firearms charge. Yet what keeps being discussed is whether or not children should have and use an airsoft.
    He's getting expelled for an incident that had nothing to do with the school and did not take place on school property. "Firearms charge" is not appropriate since an airsoft toy is not a firearm. The school has now extended their reach into the parents home which deserves a law suit. The parents should have a very good legal case to slap the hell out of that school system and teach them a valuable lesson to keep their nose out of other people's business when incidents do not occur on school grounds.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Boy expelled for air soft guns in yard

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's still the case here. The one boy's folks went with the alternative school offerred, the other is homeschooling. It's an "offer" only because the parents have other options to satisfy the law.

    As long as they are happy with the outcome then fine....But, I hate giving these lifelong bureaucrats any semblance of the power they think they should have.
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    Re: Boy expelled for air soft guns in yard

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    He's getting expelled for an incident that had nothing to do with the school and did not take place on school property. "Firearms charge" is not appropriate since an airsoft toy is not a firearm. The school has now extended their reach into the parents home which deserves a law suit. The parents should have a very good legal case to slap the hell out of that school system and teach them a valuable lesson to keep their nose out of other people's business when incidents do not occur on school grounds.
    No, they really don't have a case at all. First, under CA and local law these ARE classed as firearms. Second, there is a good indication in the OP the boys were, at the very least, firing at kids walking to the bus stop (that IS indeed something that falls under the school's legal responsibility).

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    Re: Boy expelled for air soft guns in yard

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, they really don't have a case at all. First, under CA and local law these ARE classed as firearms. Second, there is a good indication in the OP the boys were, at the very least, firing at kids walking to the bus stop (that IS indeed something that falls under the school's legal responsibility).
    Well, although for the most part we agree on a great many things clownboy, on this you may have a few things mixed up....

    1. This happened in Hampton Rhodes, VA. NOT in California.

    2. The article says that the boys were playing with two other friends, and had not gone to the bus stop, so it's kind of unclear weather or not the other boys were passing by, or actually on their property, either way they were as the article says more than 70 yards away from the bus stop, so it's not like it is right in front of the house...I guess I am trying to say that at best the action taken by the school was an over reaction, at worst a gross over step of authority.
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    Re: Boy expelled for air soft guns in yard

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, they really don't have a case at all. First, under CA and local law these ARE classed as firearms. Second, there is a good indication in the OP the boys were, at the very least, firing at kids walking to the bus stop (that IS indeed something that falls under the school's legal responsibility).
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, although for the most part we agree on a great many things clownboy, on this you may have a few things mixed up....

    1. This happened in Hampton Rhodes, VA. NOT in California.
    A fairly comprehensive guide to what is and is not a firearm according to Virginia.
    The Definitive Guide to Virginia’s Air Gun Laws | Monachus Lex

    That said, I cannot find anything in Virginia law that identifies how a schools authority extends outside of the school grounds when pertaining to a student. This sounds like a clear case of over reach and the school board should brace themselves for a lawsuit.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Boy expelled for air soft guns in yard

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Reread the OP, they were suspended, not expelled.
    They were suspended until June, the entire school year pretty much. While not a permanent expulsion, its certainly more than a mere school suspension. At this point, the term for their punishment is just semantic BS. The punishment here doesn't fit the crime. Again, the school shouldn't even be involved. The police aren't making an issue out of this, why the hell should the school.

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