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U.N. Panel to blame mankind for global warming, explain 'hiatus'[W;96]

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So now you want a fart tax too? Or just euthanasia of those you disagree with?

Low and not serious for a proper debate.
 
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I heard Hydrogen cars are available in Turkiye. Change may be happening as we speak.
 
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No where close.

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WASHINGTON — It’s less costly to get electricity from wind turbines and solar panels than coal-fired power plants when climate change costs and other health impacts are factored in, according to a new study published in the Journal of Environmental Studies and Sciences.

In fact—using the official U.S. government estimates of health and environmental costs from burning fossil fuels—the study shows it’s cheaper to replace a typical existing coal-fired power plant with a wind turbine than to keep the old plant running. And new electricity generation from wind could be more economically efficient than natural gas.

Read more at NRDC: Clean Energy The Most Affordable Way To Power The US
 
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Solar Power & Wind Power Now Cheaper Than Coal Power In US:

Why am I not surprised that you would choose an environmental activist site to give a totally skewed outlook like this.
 
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I think the scientists are emitting confused signals. Until that changes, I would only vote for more research. Maybe the UN should mandate all the wise men into conclave and leave them there, till they can make up their minds.

I'd be better with putting them all on an island, and then sinking it - we can blame it on global warming. :mrgreen:
 
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Solar Power & Wind Power Now Cheaper Than Coal Power In US:

They're only cheaper because of regulation and subsidy.
 
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Why am I not surprised that you would choose an environmental activist site to give a totally skewed outlook like this.

Why am I not surprised that you didn't read and see that the article was based-on a paper conducted by actual professional scientists? But heck, it's just easier to place your hands over your ears and shout, LA-LA-LA-LA, eh? I can never understand why people choose to be uninformed.
 
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Why am I not surprised that you didn't read and see that the article was based-on a paper conducted by actual professional scientists? But heck, it's just easier to place your hands over your ears and shout, LA-LA-LA-LA, eh? I can never understand why people choose to be uninformed.

It's not a matter of being uninformed...The study leaves out the fact that wind power is supplemented by traditional energy based on demand, and conditions....Their study seems to only address optimal conditions, which as we both know is not the norm.
 
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They're only cheaper because of regulation and subsidy.

Another one who didn't bother to read the article. If you did, you will easily read that it's not the angle played.
 
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Another one who didn't bother to read the article. If you did, you will easily read that it's not the angle played.


The angle played is boiler plate Bull! The "cost of carbon pollution"? Then it doesn't even address that the average wind turban has to be supplemented with traditional energy production, ie, coal, or gas power plants to keep even flow of energy to consumers....It is crap.
 
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Nothing against Eisenhower, but using a quote as proof simply does not cut it. At all.

Are you claiming that federal grant money does not fund climate research?
 
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They're only cheaper because of regulation and subsidy.

I live in a solar powered house and I occasionally add another panel to increase my capacity. Mine weren't subsidized, but the panels I just bought were half the price of the ones I first bought 20 years ago. It's an increasingly popular form of energy and with the growing demand production costs are lower.
 
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Are you claiming that federal grant money does not fund climate research?

I'm sure it does sometimes. But it does not have the sinister purpose that you claim it has.
 
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I live in a solar powered house and I occasionally add another panel to increase my capacity. Mine weren't subsidized, but the panels I just bought were half the price of the ones I first bought 20 years ago. It's an increasingly popular form of energy and with the growing demand production costs are lower.

Agreed that they are more mainstream now and thus have more production demand. However, the industry itself, their manufacture, is heavily subsidized. It's cool you've gone that way, but seriously, you didn't take the write-off?
 
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I live in a solar powered house and I occasionally add another panel to increase my capacity. Mine weren't subsidized, but the panels I just bought were half the price of the ones I first bought 20 years ago. It's an increasingly popular form of energy and with the growing demand production costs are lower.

And, as the technology gets better, the price will continue to decrease.
 
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Agreed that they are more mainstream now and thus have more production demand. However, the industry itself, their manufacture, is heavily subsidized. It's cool you've gone that way, but seriously, you didn't take the write-off?

I am getting solar panels put on my roof for free. A company will buy and install them, hook them up to the grid and cut me a cheque once a year. A win-win situation, if you ask me.
 
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Agreed that they are more mainstream now and thus have more production demand. However, the industry itself, their manufacture, is heavily subsidized. It's cool you've gone that way, but seriously, you didn't take the write-off?

Yes, I agree that the industry has received subsidy, and hope that as more people go that route they become profitable and don't need it anymore. And no I really did not do the write off.
 
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And, as the technology gets better, the price will continue to decrease.

Sure thing.
 
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I am getting solar panels put on my roof for free. A company will buy and install them, hook them up to the grid and cut me a cheque once a year. A win-win situation, if you ask me.

Seriously? Now that's subsidy. I live beyond the nearest electricity. There is no grid to hook up to. Wouldn't want the snooping smart meter anyway.
 
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I'm sure it does sometimes. But it does not have the sinister purpose that you claim it has.

Typically it doesn't, but once a paradigm has control over a field of study, it is amazing the lengths people can go to in order to protect it.
 
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Seriously? Now that's subsidy. I live beyond the nearest electricity. There is no grid to hook up to. Wouldn't want the snooping smart meter anyway.

Sort of. Our provincial government guarantees a price per Kilowatt per year. They started this initiatve to get people to invest in green energy for a few reasons. One, to create less pollution and two, to help with our overtapped and aged energy sources. The first few years were overly generous, but now, it's only about 22 cents more per Kilowatt than the maximum high-peak rate. My solar panels will give back to the grid, and both myself, the solar panel company and Hydro Ontario will benefit from this.
 
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Yes, I agree that the industry has received subsidy, and hope that as more people go that route they become profitable and don't need it anymore. And no I really did not do the write off.

Me too. I may not be onboard with the AGW cult but I've always been cool with sane efforts to reduce pollution. And you should have taken the write-off if you're eligible for it.
 
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Typically it doesn't, but once a paradigm has control over a field of study, it is amazing the lengths people can go to in order to protect it.

Please show me real examples of this. As I stated many posts back, I have yet to see any proof of this.
 
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Please show me real examples of this. As I stated many posts back, I have yet to see any proof of this.

Silencing Scientists and Scholars in Other Fields: Power, Paradigm Controls, Peer Review, and Scholarly Communication (Contemporary Studies in Information Management, Policies, and Services): Gordon Moran: 9781567503425: Amazon.com: Books

There are entire books on such things. Rest assured, they provide real life examples.
 
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