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    Re: U.N. Panel to blame mankind for global warming, explain 'hiatus'

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    Sure! And researchers would get less money, were they to say: "No Problem!"

    There are lobbies on both sides and conflicts of interest and bribing and worse.

    So what do you propose? Spend the money and hope it wasn't wasted? I mean, we are talking not Hundreds of Billions. This is serious money.
    Risking serious money or risking serious global climate related health?

    Which do you want to spare more: Money or health?
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    Re: U.N. Panel to blame mankind for global warming, explain 'hiatus'

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    Risking serious money or risking serious global climate related health?

    Which do you want to spare more: Money or health?
    Obviously health is more important. The problem is that there is no consensus that there IS a problem, and there's been too many examples of people being caught playing with the facts on both sides. So we don't want to spend billions or worse on a hoax. Besides, on this side of the Atlantic, we need that money for the next war.

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    Re: U.N. Panel to blame mankind for global warming, explain 'hiatus'

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    (Reuters) - A United Nations panel of experts met on Monday to review a draft report that raises the probability that climate change is man-made to 95 percent and warns of ever more extreme weather unless governments take strong action.

    Scientists and officials from more than 110 governments began a four-day meeting in Stockholm to edit and approve the 31-page draft that also tries to explain a "hiatus" in the pace of global warming this century despite rising greenhouse gas emissions.


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    Re: U.N. Panel to blame mankind for global warming, explain 'hiatus'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Obviously health is more important. The problem is that there is no consensus that there IS a problem, and there's been too many examples of people being caught playing with the facts on both sides. So we don't want to spend billions or worse on a hoax. Besides, on this side of the Atlantic, we need that money for the next war.
    - About the war part!

    If in order to enact something we need solid premises of conclusion then corporates have found a good way to stop us from doing something about it, have they not? Just raise dust and leave people undecided.
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    Re: U.N. Panel to blame mankind for global warming, explain 'hiatus'

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    - About the war part!

    If in order to enact something we need solid premises of conclusion then corporates have found a good way to stop us from doing something about it, have they not? Just raise dust and leave people undecided.
    I'm serious. With China cutting off our line of credit and our own Feds buying our own debt, we have no extra cash this year.

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    Re: U.N. Panel to blame mankind for global warming, explain 'hiatus'

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    - About the war part!

    If in order to enact something we need solid premises of conclusion then corporates have found a good way to stop us from doing something about it, have they not? Just raise dust and leave people undecided.
    I think with that you're blaming corporations, if so, I agree.

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    Re: U.N. Panel to blame mankind for global warming, explain 'hiatus'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm serious. With China cutting off our line of credit and our own Feds buying our own debt, we have no extra cash this year.
    No extra cash that somehow immediately means that money determined to be spent on war, is it? Could it not be spent for something else instead?

    That is why it seemed funny. You who opposed war to the point of wanting Putin to have the Noble Prize instead of Obama suddenly could not think of the extra money being used for anything else other than war.
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    Re: U.N. Panel to blame mankind for global warming, explain 'hiatus'

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Risking serious money or risking serious global climate related health?

    Which do you want to spare more: Money or health?
    As I remember the maths, the optimum insurance policy can be calculated. Though this is a rather important issue, I have not seen a calculation of this price.

    Don't get me wrong. I am a believer. We will have to change a lot. The Club of Rome was not wrong in that.

    But ask yourself following question. How many percent of your income would you be willing to spend on the thing? 1%....5%....20%.....50%.....95%? How many basics are you willing to forego? Meat? Acapulco? The house? I've looked at the estemates and at today's technology we will have to give up quite a bit. Money we use to reduce CO2 or methane with inefficient processes will take money out of research or out of food bowels. If we can develop better technology we will not live as much more poorly and fewer people will be killed in the third world by our effort.

    So how much damage are we willing to take without knowing how much we need take?

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    Re: U.N. Panel to blame mankind for global warming, explain 'hiatus'

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    As I remember the maths, the optimum insurance policy can be calculated. Though this is a rather important issue, I have not seen a calculation of this price.

    Don't get me wrong. I am a believer. We will have to change a lot. The Club of Rome was not wrong in that.

    But ask yourself following question. How many percent of your income would you be willing to spend on the thing? 1%....5%....20%.....50%.....95%? How many basics are you willing to forego? Meat? Acapulco? The house? I've looked at the estemates and at today's technology we will have to give up quite a bit. Money we use to reduce CO2 or methane with inefficient processes will take money out of research or out of food bowels. If we can develop better technology we will not live as much more poorly and fewer people will be killed in the third world by our effort.

    So how much damage are we willing to take without knowing how much we need take?
    How about no damage and just green energy technology?
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    Re: U.N. Panel to blame mankind for global warming, explain 'hiatus'

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    How about no damage and just green energy technology?
    That would be great. Problem is the cost of traverse. Innovating that amount and type of plant takes a long time or is very costly (damaging). This is especially true, where the new technology is less efficient/more costly that the old. When the new technology becomes more well understood and more mature, the production price will fall independent of scale. Plant innovated earlier will have been inefficiently installed etc.

    There is no way to make our present plant redundant without damage to people.

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