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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Our, we can quite with the whining, and actually work to improve the law.
    Joe....Did you just not read the post? I don't think you did, because if you did read it, you'd have seen this part right there in black and white...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac
    ...the whole thing should be delayed to allow time for real inclusion of both sides to work out the horrible parts of this law...
    You may only want to find agreement with people that only see things your way, but brother, that is just not realistic, and never going to happen.
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Laughing my butt off at the liberals in this thread.

    Who remembers who told this lie when the disaster called Obamacare was not being debated in Congress:
    "You should know that once we have fully implemented, you’re going to be able to buy insurance through a pool so that you can get the same good rates as a group that if you’re an employee at a big company you can get right now — which means your premiums will go down.” Here's a hint. The man who told this lie is as far from a conservative as a person can get.

    Well, we're just about at full implementation and report after report show prices going up. And that's for those lucky enough to still have insurance because of this disaster.
    So you think it is new for health insurance prices to go up? They have doubled in the last 10 years.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So you think it is new for health insurance prices to go up? They have doubled in the last 10 years.

    Yep, and no one disagrees that something had to be done, but the 'what' is the rub.
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So you think it is new for health insurance prices to go up? They have doubled in the last 10 years.
    And for the family in the OP -- tripling next year alone. What, do you think the OP story is just an outright fabrication?

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    All right, Mr. "Very Conservative": How would you bring down health care costs? It appears the Republicans in Congress have one alternative to Obamacare, which is "do nothing." I'm asking you to suggest something. What's your idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    BS. The Republicans in the House introduced a replacement you just don't like it because it doesn't take from hard working people and give to you the lazy who won't work for it.
    Got a link?

    Face it, "the lazy who won't work for it" are the CEOs, and "the hard-working people" aren't paid enough to afford health insurance. Once you admit this, you will have joined the real world.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    All right, Mr. "Very Conservative": How would you bring down health care costs? It appears the Republicans in Congress have one alternative to Obamacare, which is "do nothing." I'm asking you to suggest something. What's your idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Allow hospitals and insurance companies to shop for drugs outside of the US. Provide a matching healthcare savings plan that begins at birth and one that can be passed on without tax to family when you die. if you allow people to shop for their healthcare with their own money, costs will come down. Fix payouts to malpractice suits via tort reform...

    "Insurance should only be provided for catastrophic care, NOT emergency care or none life threatening care...

    "Phase the healthcare savings plan in, beginning now, and phase out governments direct involvement...

    "Sorry NOT everyone deserves our charity. There really are a bunch of losers in our country...

    "Alright Mr. Undisclosed. what say you? Tim"
    Not good enough:

    * "Tort reform" is wingnut speak for "You're not allowed to sue when your doctor screws up and your insurance company won't pay.

    * Insurance should be provided for everything. You read me: Everything.

    * "Government involvement" includes Social Security and Medicare which work wonderfully.

    * You're right about one thing, but not in the way you think: Poor people deserve our charity. Says who? Says Jesus Christ. That long-haired Middle Eastern socialist who doled out free health care and told the government to render unto Caesar those things that are Caesar's -- in other words, quit being a baby and start paying your taxes. Some people are "losers" through no fault of their own. Not everybody fails, many are sabotaged.

    What you propose would have been considered too conservative for America 20 years ago. Today, it is considered too liberal for the people who move the Republican Party. It remains unacceptable.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Comunitee.com View Post
    All right, Mr. "Very Conservative": How would you bring down health care costs? It appears the Republicans in Congress have one alternative to Obamacare, which is "do nothing." I'm asking you to suggest something. What's your idea?
    There are lots of options. Overall, the only two ways to meaningfully control costs are to go full force toward a government takeover and expect government to suppress the costs actively, or abolish health insurance as it currently exists and let cash-only markets for health care pull prices down naturally.

    Other more specific ideas:

    1) Overturn EMTALA; provide expanded tort protection for emergency health care staff and departments (allow ER doctors to turn away non-emergencies); eliminate the practice of admitting uninsured patients to hospitals to cover providers' own asses and then spreading the costs to insured patients.
    2) Prohibit coverage for preventive care, office visits, wellness checks, etc., except for specific procedures/diagnostic tests that have shown incontrovertible proof of being cost-saving. Open up more non-critical care to cash-only markets (no insurance coverage permitted).
    3) Repeal Medicare D
    4) Prohibit insurance coverage of addictive agents (opioids, amphetamines, benzodiazepines, sleep agents) outside of hospital settings.
    5) Reform Medicare A-C
    6) Abolish private health insurance or relegate it to coverage of out-of-work expenses and implement across-the-board governmentalized health insurance (not actually something I desire, but nonetheless would be a hell of a lot better than PPACA).

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL....the Repubs are shaking in their boots trying to keep the ACA from taking effect because they know that when it does, it is going to cover thousands of Americans who didn't have coverage before....and people are going to see that the GOP has been engaging in propoganda and scare tactics. This is just another nail in the GOP coffin in ever hoping to avoid becoming a regional political party.
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    'Family glitch' in health law could be painful

    WASHINGTON — A "family glitch" in the 2010 health care law threatens to cost some families thousands of dollars in health insurance costs and leave up to 500,000 children without coverage, insurance and health care analysts say.
    THe snake oil isn't selling. The Unions are BEGGING to be waived out of this nightmare. It's so awesome, the people who wrote the law aren't subject to it.

    It's so hilarious to watch the cult members take one last swig of the Kool-Aid. Too bad we all have to suffer because of utopian delusions. Oh wait, Obama and his special cronies will be exempt! They won't.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Comunitee.com View Post
    Not good enough:

    * "Tort reform" is wingnut speak for "You're not allowed to sue when your doctor screws up and your insurance company won't pay.
    Tort reform via a repeal of EMTALA is the only way to decrease the over-admission of patients to hospitals to cover their own asses liability-wise with the reassurance they can just screw over the insured. In fact this practice needs to be prohibited.

    * Insurance should be provided for everything. You read me: Everything.
    That's not insurance. Insurance is for unlikely and unfortunate events. Not "everything." Attitudes like yours directly make this problem worse.

    * "Government involvement" includes Social Security and Medicare which work wonderfully.
    Medicare is the most cost-expansionary program that has ever existed. Medicare D is the worst part of it, as it is the least funded and it enriches pharmaceutical companies that often do not actually resolve any health problems, but rather only mask symptoms and promote dependence.

    Poor people deserve our charity. Says who? Says Jesus Christ.
    Save it for Sunday morning, and leave public policy to rational, financially-minded people.

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