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    One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Andy and Amy Mangione of Louisville, Ky. and their two boys are just the kind of people who should be helped by ObamaCare. But they recently got a nasty surprise in the mail.

    "When I saw the letter when I came home from work," Andy said, describing the large red wording on the envelope from his insurance carrier, "(it said) 'your action required, benefit changes, act now.' Of course I opened it immediately."

    It had stunning news. Insurance for the Mangiones and their two boys,which they bought on the individual market, was going to almost triple in 2014 --- from $333 a month to $965.

    The insurance carrier made it clear the increase was in order to be compliant with the new health care law.

    One man's ObamaCare nightmare | Fox News

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Laughing my butt off at the liberals in this thread.

    Who remembers who told this lie when the disaster called Obamacare was not being debated in Congress:
    "You should know that once we have fully implemented, you’re going to be able to buy insurance through a pool so that you can get the same good rates as a group that if you’re an employee at a big company you can get right now — which means your premiums will go down.” Here's a hint. The man who told this lie is as far from a conservative as a person can get.

    Well, we're just about at full implementation and report after report show prices going up. And that's for those lucky enough to still have insurance because of this disaster.
    "“If we don’t deepen our ports all along the Gulf — places like Charleston, South Carolina; or Savannah, Georgia; or Jacksonville, Florida…” -Obama

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Comunitee.com View Post
    All right, Mr. "Very Conservative": How would you bring down health care costs? It appears the Republicans in Congress have one alternative to Obamacare, which is "do nothing." I'm asking you to suggest something. What's your idea?
    Allow hospitals and insurance companies to shop for drugs outside of the US. Provide a matching healthcare savings plan that begins at birth and one that can be passed on without tax to family when you die. if you allow people to shop for their healthcare with their own money, costs will come down. Fix payouts to malpractice suits via tort reform, and reinstate loser pays civil reform. (not just in healthcare either but in all law suits). Allow insurance companies to offer healthcare in any state they wish. Insurance should only be provided for catastrophic care, NOT emergency care or none life threatening care. Begin a national registry for caregivers and physicians where people can simply look up a name of a doctor or service and read reviews on their level of care, decide for themselves whether the costs outweigh the risks for any given procedure. There are a lot of ways to reduce costs, but the main goal is to take the power away from the beaurocracy and place it back squarely in the hands of the individual. Phase the healthcare savings plan in, beginning now, and phase out governments direct involvement. If you've been a loser all your life and lived mostly off the government dole, you don't get to finish your life in a fancy nursing home. You get to die. this mentality that we the tax payers need to protect everyone is just foolish. Sorry NOT everyone deserves our charity. There really are a bunch of losers in our country and they don't get jack **** when it comes to expensive care. They get the basic, and if anything that's all government should be offering. Government paid healthcare should always be the worst option as an incentive to NOT be in a position to ever require it.

    Alright Mr. Undisclosed. what say you?

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Comunitee.com View Post
    What's next, The Onion? Fox doesn't have the onions to tell the truth about Obamacare.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Why would I attack you?

    Quite simply becuse you used personal claims to illustrate published "claims" were false. Yet we have no evidence of your personal claims being accurate. You might as well be Assad and taken for granted. I'm sorry but you are a political hack with a socialist agenda. You might want to call yourself progressive cause its sounds better but you aren't - you want a socialist system of people working hard to give you things you think you have a right too without hard work. Its pathetic. Capitalism has its ugly attributes but its done more for mankind then any other system in the shortest period of time possible, but since its obviously passed you by its time to regulate it, tax it and give some of its success to you. This is how all "progressive/socialist" seem to think. I find you to be nothing more than a political hack using made up personal numbers to call others wrong. Others who are willing to publish reports no more valid than your own - but for some really stupid /silly reason we're suppose to believe YOU? Guess what - I DON'T.
    So every swinging Richard who claims a firearm has protected them is Assad?

    If MSNBC reported ACA was greatly reducing ONE person's insurance bill you'd accept that as gospel???

    Your words define petty partisan hack quite well. NO effort to check ANYTHING Faux Noise says. Refusal to believe anything anyone says when it goes against your mindset.

    Pappa John was shown to be a partisan hack- but you refuse to admit that. I can only think you are clueless what privately purchased healthcare costs and the HUGE differences in cost, coverage, co-pays, networks, deductibles and what is covered as approved treatments.

    But you keep making a strawman figure to argue against, you are clueless and speak the language of a petty partisan hack.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    a somewhat relevant link i didn't feel the need to make a whole thread over. Ignore the "blew my mind" hype and just watch the video, its a pretty intense explanation of why we pay so much for healthcare. Supposedly its been fact checked and approved, if you care to look into it, but it makes a lot of sense, and shows how almost everyone who talks about health care costs is at least a little wrong, and most are at least a little right.

    His First 4 Sentences Are Interesting. The 5th Blew My Mind. And Made Me A Little Sick.
    Could It Be Semantics Generating This Mess We're In?

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by shagg View Post
    a somewhat relevant link i didn't feel the need to make a whole thread over. Ignore the "blew my mind" hype and just watch the video, its a pretty intense explanation of why we pay so much for healthcare. Supposedly its been fact checked and approved, if you care to look into it, but it makes a lot of sense, and shows how almost everyone who talks about health care costs is at least a little wrong, and most are at least a little right.

    His First 4 Sentences Are Interesting. The 5th Blew My Mind. And Made Me A Little Sick.

    Not able to watch it, could you summarize a little more? Btw, is this 'towski'? If it is, what's up dude, how ya been?
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Our health insurer will release the new plans for 2014 on October 3rd. Without disclosing specifics, they have warned us to brace ourselves for a significant hike in premiums. This is happening because high deductible plans (which we prefer) are now prohibited, and additional benefits (which we don't want or need) are required.

    Thanks "Affordable Care Act."

    "If you have employer coverage now, do not worry," said Lynn Quincy, a senior policy analyst at Consumers Union in Washington who specializes in health care issues. "If you're on Medicare now, please don't worry," she said.
    And if you buy your own insurance? Prepare to be ****ed? That about right?
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    There seems to be confusion on the left in here about what 'an example' is....Further if you watched the report, you'd have picked up on the line in the report that basically said that the coverage is going up because of what the ACA mandates now must be covered over and above what they possibly didn't have to pick up before. I can see that.

    The bottom line is that with all of the delay's, waivers, and pure incompetence put forth so far in this unworkable law, the whole thing should be delayed to allow time for real inclusion of both sides to work out the horrible parts of this law. Will they do that? Probably not...The demo's don't want the repubs to have any say in it, and the repubs don't want it to become yet another entitlement that can never be adjusted, or taken away.
    Our, we can quite with the whining, and actually work to improve the law. And no, republicans who only want to repeal are not helping. Nor are tired old remedies that equate to doing nothing, as we have seen in the past.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    OMG one person who was buying bargain basement health insurance has their rates go up? Yes, and what happens when you get sick on bargain health insurance before obamacare? Oh yeah, they deny your claim and slap you into high risk and drop your coverage.

    So the healthy customer insurance scam where they charge you until you claim and then refuse to cover you is over. now they actually have to provide some specific levels of care, and they cannot take money for the illusion that they will be there when you get ill because now they have to be there.
    Dropping people from an insurance policy is tantamount to a breach of contract. That can be dealt with... withOUT banning high-deductible plans or forcing insurance companies to offer new benefits they previously did not.

    300 dollars a month family insurance was a scam to begin with. The guy should be thrilled no one ever needed it.
    A $300 a month plan has a higher deductible, but the total out-of-pocket maximum costs (premiums + deductible + coinsurance) are not very different between high-deductible and low-deductible plans, when you actually do the math.

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