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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh goody, let's trade articles....

    "In December, 18 Democratic senators wrote a letter to Reid requesting a delay in the implementation of Obamacare’s 2.3 percent excise tax on medical device manufacturers, many of which do business in Democratic senators’ home states.

    “The medical technology industry directly employs over 400,000 people in the United States and is responsible for a total of two million high-skilled manufacturing jobs. Additionally, this industry is also one of the few that enjoys a net trade surplus, significantly boosting U.S. exports around the globe,” the letter stated.

    “In an environment focused on increasing exports, promoting small businesses, and growing high-tech manufacturing jobs for the future, we must do all we can to ensure that our country maintains its global leadership position in the medical technology industry and keeps good jobs here at home,” the letter continued.

    “With this year quickly drawing to a close, the medical device industry has received little guidance about how to comply with the tax — causing significant uncertainty and confusion for businesses. We urge you to support delaying enactment of this provision in a fiscally responsible manner,” the letter added.

    The letter was signed by Democratic Sens. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, Kay Hagan of North Carolina, Al Franken of Minnesota, Herb Kohl of Wisconsin, Barbara Mikulski of Maryland, Chuck Schumer of New York, Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, Bob Casey of Pennsylvania, Debbie Stabenow of Michigan, Dick Durbin of Illinois, Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, Patty Murray of Washington, Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut and then-Senator elect Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, among others.


    The Obamacare provision’s 2.3 percent excise tax on medical device manufacturers has sparked panic within the medical devices industry. Indiana-based Zimmer Holdings, which manufactures hip replacement implants, laid off 450 workers in 2012 in anticipation of $60 million in taxes. Michigan-based Stryker Corp., which also produces hip implants, laid off 5 percent of its workers in a bid to compensate for the $100 million it will pay in taxes in 2013."



    Read more: Senate Democrats oppose tax that GOP plan would repeal | The Daily Caller

    I misunderstand? No sir, what is clear is that you have now exposed yourself directly opposed to a bi partisan segment of the house and senate that believes this tax needs be repealed....So, you are for the Med. device tax.
    PBS is better than the daily caller, but you miss the point. You can work on this and still move forward. The industry really won't dry up and die. that's simply exaggeration on everyone's part. And you can fix it while it's law as easily as you could have months ago. So, stop whining, and work on the law already passed. It's already law, so you can't stop it from being law now. You have to move forward.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    PBS is better than the daily caller, but you miss the point. You can work on this and still move forward. The industry really won't dry up and die. that's simply exaggeration on everyone's part. And you can fix it while it's law as easily as you could have months ago. So, stop whining, and work on the law already passed. It's already law, so you can't stop it from being law now. You have to move forward.
    Says the person giving us Jon Stewart, and Jimmy Kimmel as news sourcing....You're building strawmen, and not addressing what I asked directly. Again!
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

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    But this is one of those that can be dealt with as we move forward. It is not the hammer you need. Sorry.
    According to Obama that is impossible as non-negotiable means non-negotiable. Unless of course he plans to violate his law by himself, again. Then that would just make him a liar, again.
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

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    According to Obama that is impossible as non-negotiable means non-negotiable. Unless of course he plans to violate his law by himself, again. Then that would just make him a liar, again.
    King Obama has violated the ACA many times. He has made changes in it that he can not do.
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

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    Says the person giving us Jon Stewart, and Jimmy Kimmel as news sourcing....You're building strawmen, and not addressing what I asked directly. Again!
    You have a lot to learn about sourcing. For sourcing I gave you PBS. You miss a lot J.

    Your question misses the point. It doesn't matter if I or you are for or against. Say I'm against it. So what. It doesn't change the position. I don't as a matter of fact support everything, which would be rare for any law. Disagreeing with an aspect is as common as the common cold. The point here is one of process. By all means, fix an aspect. But do it as it is, a law already passed. Stop whining. Stop holding up progress.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    According to Obama that is impossible as non-negotiable means non-negotiable. Unless of course he plans to violate his law by himself, again. Then that would just make him a liar, again.
    Obama doesn't write law. And frankly, republicans have done similar things while in power. It's the nature of you having lost. Let's say we establish as a rule that anytime your party loses, we shut everything down until we get our way. We'll have democrats do it too when reversed. How long before we recognize this childish behavior for what it is?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

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    Obama doesn't write law. And frankly, republicans have done similar things while in power. It's the nature of you having lost. Let's say we establish as a rule that anytime your party loses, we shut everything down until we get our way. We'll have democrats do it too when reversed. How long before we recognize this childish behavior for what it is?
    "we shut every thing down". LOL.

    Everything is not shut down, nor will it be.

    Obama does write law. He has already done it to Obamadon'tcare.
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    "we shut every thing down". LOL.

    Everything is not shut down, nor will it be.

    Obama does write law. He has already done it to Obamadon'tcare.

    Try to focus. don't take the word everything as literal.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You have a lot to learn about sourcing. For sourcing I gave you PBS. You miss a lot J.

    Your question misses the point. It doesn't matter if I or you are for or against. Say I'm against it. So what. It doesn't change the position. I don't as a matter of fact support everything, which would be rare for any law. Disagreeing with an aspect is as common as the common cold. The point here is one of process. By all means, fix an aspect. But do it as it is, a law already passed. Stop whining. Stop holding up progress.
    Maybe you accept that pablum, I don't. If you want to lay down and just take it as a voter, then remember that when your fellow travelers lose the majority, and the presidency.....Cuz I sure will.
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Our fundamental disagreement seems to be who's purview this falls under? See, I believe that powers not specifically enumerated under Article 1, Section 8 are delegated to the states to figure out for themselves. That simple understanding is whether or not one wants an all powerful federal system making decisions for the entirety of the American population, and dictating from on high, or whether the people have more accountability at a more local level. You seem to want a more centralized government, I don't.
    I want a solution that works, and I don't care if the states compel people to take responsibility for themselves, or if the federal govt. requires it. This passed muster before the Supreme Court. Somebody has to solve this problem that has existed and been talked about since the late 80's at least. It became a signature issue in the 1992 election, and Bill Clinton won partly because he advocated healthcare reform. He was blocked by the repubs. The repub alternative talked about "personal responsibility" and had an individual mandate.

    In November, 1993, Sen. John Chafee, R-R.I., introduced what was considered to be one of the main Republican health overhaul proposals: "A bill to provide comprehensive reform of the health care system of the United States."

    Titled the "Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993," it had 21 co-sponsors, including two Democrats (Sens. Boren and Kerrey). The bill, which was not debated or voted upon, was an alternative to President Bill Clinton's plan. It bears similarity to the Democratic bill passed by the Senate Dec. 24, 2009, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

    Here is a summary of the 1993 bill:

    Title I: Basic Reforms to Expand Access to Health Insurance Coverage and to Ensure Universal Coverage - Subtitle A: Universal Access - Provides access to health insurance coverage under a qualified health plan for every citizen and lawful permanent resident of the United States.

    (Sec. 1003) Establishes a program under which persons with low incomes (and who are not eligible for Medicaid) will receive vouchers to buy insurance through purchasing groups.

    (Sec. 1004) Requires each employer to make available, either directly, through a purchasing group, or otherwise, enrollment in a qualified health plan to each eligible employee.

    Subtitle B: Qualified General Access Plan in the Small Employer and Individual Marketplace- Requires the National Association of Insurance Commissioners to develop specific standards to implement requirements concerning: (1) guaranteed eligibility, availability, and renewability of health insurance coverage; (2) nondiscrimination based on health status; (3) benefits offered; (4) insurer financial solvency; (5) enrollment process; (6) premium rating limitations; (7) risk adjustment; and (8) consumer protection.

    (Sec. 1119) Requires each qualified general access plan to: (1) establish and maintain a quality assurance program and a mediation procedures program; and (2) contain assurances of service to designated underserved areas.

    (Sec. 1141) Provides for the formation of purchasing groups by individuals and small employers.
    Summary Of A 1993 Republican Health Reform Plan - Kaiser Health News

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