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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    How about actually bring forth a negotable item?
    They did.
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    How about actually bring forth a negotable item?
    LOL. So the law Obamacare is non-negotiable? LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL.

    Tell that to Obama then as he signs wavier after wavier and grants exemption after exemption to that very same law.
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Here's a thought ... delay the individual mandate a year to let all the Liberals like you who are confident in its' success work out the kinks and report back about the wonders of Ocare.
    You should check out Jimmy Kimmel's man on the street interviews last night.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    They did.
    Whawwwwwww! Is not a valid proposal. :cofeepap

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You should check out Jimmy Kimmel's man on the street interviews last night.
    I know you tend to put stock in comedian's take on current affairs politically, but personally I don't think these times are a game.

    Whawwwwwww! Is not a valid proposal.
    Do you support the Medical device tax? Do you support congress exempting themselves from this law?
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    LOL. So the law Obamacare is non-negotiable? LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL.

    Tell that to Obama then as he signs wavier after wavier and grants exemption after exemption to that very same law.
    The law is the law. Yes, you have to start with that. Consider this from Jon Stewart:

    He likened the shutdown to a football team rebelling against the NFL over a score: “Did you see the Giants game on Sunday? Okay, they lost 31-7. And you know what the Giants didn’t say after that game? ‘If you don’t give us 25 more points by midnight on Monday, we will shut down the [bleep] NFL,’” said Stewart.

    Must-see morning clip: Jon Stewart skewers Republicans over government shutdown - Salon.com


    The proposal has to be how to improve what is existing.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I know you tend to put stock in comedian's take on current affairs politically, but personally I don't think these times are a game.



    Do you support the Medical device tax? Do you support congress exempting themselves from this law?
    But you do think that way. You ignore what polls really say. People like nearly everything in the bill, but oppose it. This is not logical. His work last night showed that rather well.

    Everyone with enough money is exempt. But your question shows a serious lack of understanding. I suggest you read more articles like this one:

    Back in the early horse-trading days over the legislation that became the Affordable Care Act, lobbyists for the device industry made what looks more and more like a "strategic error," as The Wall Street Journal .

    While the legislation was taking shape, the White House looked to health-related industries to cut deals that would help pay for the law. The Journal reported that the administration went so far as to ask for pledges.

    When it came time for the device makers to pony up, they demurred, suggesting instead that the government get money elsewhere, such as from the groups that buy in bulk for hospitals. It didn't work.

    "You either come to the table early, or you end up part of the dinner," a person close to the negotiations told the Journal.

    How A Tax On Medical Devices United Political Rivals : Shots - Health News : NPR

    But this is one of those that can be dealt with as we move forward. It is not the hammer you need. Sorry.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The law is the law. Yes, you have to start with that. Consider this from Jon Stewart:

    He likened the shutdown to a football team rebelling against the NFL over a score: “Did you see the Giants game on Sunday? Okay, they lost 31-7. And you know what the Giants didn’t say after that game? ‘If you don’t give us 25 more points by midnight on Monday, we will shut down the [bleep] NFL,’” said Stewart.

    Must-see morning clip: Jon Stewart skewers Republicans over government shutdown - Salon.com


    The proposal has to be how to improve what is existing.
    Thing is you should fix the disaster before allowing it to happen...Isn't that the reasoning behind Obama extending a delay to his crony business people? Why is it good enough in one situation, and not another?
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Thing is you should fix the disaster before allowing it to happen...Isn't that the reasoning behind Obama extending a delay to his crony business people? Why is it good enough in one situation, and not another?
    It's no where near the disaster your hyperbolic side makes it out to be. It simply doesn't require this extreme behavior. You're side is exaggerating to the nth degree.

    Work on it, fine. But come back down to reality.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But you do think that way. You ignore what polls really say. People like nearly everything in the bill, but oppose it. This is not logical. His work last night showed that rather well.

    Everyone with enough money is exempt. But your question shows a serious lack of understanding. I suggest you read more articles like this one:

    Back in the early horse-trading days over the legislation that became the Affordable Care Act, lobbyists for the device industry made what looks more and more like a "strategic error," as The Wall Street Journal .

    While the legislation was taking shape, the White House looked to health-related industries to cut deals that would help pay for the law. The Journal reported that the administration went so far as to ask for pledges.

    When it came time for the device makers to pony up, they demurred, suggesting instead that the government get money elsewhere, such as from the groups that buy in bulk for hospitals. It didn't work.

    "You either come to the table early, or you end up part of the dinner," a person close to the negotiations told the Journal.

    How A Tax On Medical Devices United Political Rivals : Shots - Health News : NPR

    But this is one of those that can be dealt with as we move forward. It is not the hammer you need. Sorry.
    Oh goody, let's trade articles....

    "In December, 18 Democratic senators wrote a letter to Reid requesting a delay in the implementation of Obamacare’s 2.3 percent excise tax on medical device manufacturers, many of which do business in Democratic senators’ home states.

    “The medical technology industry directly employs over 400,000 people in the United States and is responsible for a total of two million high-skilled manufacturing jobs. Additionally, this industry is also one of the few that enjoys a net trade surplus, significantly boosting U.S. exports around the globe,” the letter stated.

    “In an environment focused on increasing exports, promoting small businesses, and growing high-tech manufacturing jobs for the future, we must do all we can to ensure that our country maintains its global leadership position in the medical technology industry and keeps good jobs here at home,” the letter continued.

    “With this year quickly drawing to a close, the medical device industry has received little guidance about how to comply with the tax — causing significant uncertainty and confusion for businesses. We urge you to support delaying enactment of this provision in a fiscally responsible manner,” the letter added.

    The letter was signed by Democratic Sens. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, Kay Hagan of North Carolina, Al Franken of Minnesota, Herb Kohl of Wisconsin, Barbara Mikulski of Maryland, Chuck Schumer of New York, Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, Bob Casey of Pennsylvania, Debbie Stabenow of Michigan, Dick Durbin of Illinois, Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, Patty Murray of Washington, Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut and then-Senator elect Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, among others.


    The Obamacare provision’s 2.3 percent excise tax on medical device manufacturers has sparked panic within the medical devices industry. Indiana-based Zimmer Holdings, which manufactures hip replacement implants, laid off 450 workers in 2012 in anticipation of $60 million in taxes. Michigan-based Stryker Corp., which also produces hip implants, laid off 5 percent of its workers in a bid to compensate for the $100 million it will pay in taxes in 2013."



    Read more: Senate Democrats oppose tax that GOP plan would repeal | The Daily Caller

    I misunderstand? No sir, what is clear is that you have now exposed yourself directly opposed to a bi partisan segment of the house and senate that believes this tax needs be repealed....So, you are for the Med. device tax.
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