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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Ready? Define ready. Mostly that claim you make is merely empty rhetoric by those merely seeking to delay. Yes, it's not perfect. Few things ever are. But you will see better what is working and what isn't once you move forward. So, congress should stop the silly political tactics and start going to work.
    Yeah? How they supposed to do that when Reid says he will not appoint negotiators, and Obama says that he shouldn't have to offer anything? This mess is totally the demo's fault.
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Crossroads View Post
    You do realize that this country is populated by more than 300 MILLION people right? Millions, even tens of millions more people are going to have health care when this law is fully implemented, and for most people, including subsidies, it will be reasonably priced.
    The "tens of millions" had health care before this disaster called Obamacare was passed.

    Where are all these "tens of millions" going to find doctors that accept whatever health insurance they are supposedly now to have?

    if it's such a good deal, why does it require taxpayer subsidies? Just what does "reasonably priced" mean? And for who? How come this "reasonably priced" situation is causing people to lose, cancel or not be able to afford health insurance?

    How come getting health insurance wasn't a top priority for these "tens of millions" before now?
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I haven't been able to get into the new ACA system to assess the damage, but what I am seeing from others on the internet is absolutely horrifying.

    Coverage for a family of 4 on "silver" is just shy of $1000/month with high deductible. The penalty costs .. oh.. $10,000 less.
    Yep. And those that pay the penalty will still have access to health care. They just won't be paying for health insurance.
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    The "tens of millions" had health care before this disaster called Obamacare was passed.

    Where are all these "tens of millions" going to find doctors that accept whatever health insurance they are supposedly now to have?

    if it's such a good deal, why does it require taxpayer subsidies? Just what does "reasonably priced" mean? And for who? How come this "reasonably priced" situation is causing people to lose, cancel or not be able to afford health insurance?

    How come getting health insurance wasn't a top priority for these "tens of millions" before now?
    "Reasonably priced" obviously to demo's, means going from a family of four paying about $250 per month, to that same family of four paying over $850 per month....Ah, but that is a $2500 savings right? (*scratches head*)


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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Ready? Define ready. Mostly that claim you make is merely empty rhetoric by those merely seeking to delay. Yes, it's not perfect. Few things ever are. But you will see better what is working and what isn't once you move forward. So, congress should stop the silly political tactics and start going to work.
    Here's a thought ... delay the individual mandate a year to let all the Liberals like you who are confident in its' success work out the kinks and report back about the wonders of Ocare.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    The "tens of millions" had health care before this disaster called Obamacare was passed.

    Where are all these "tens of millions" going to find doctors that accept whatever health insurance they are supposedly now to have?

    if it's such a good deal, why does it require taxpayer subsidies? Just what does "reasonably priced" mean? And for who? How come this "reasonably priced" situation is causing people to lose, cancel or not be able to afford health insurance?

    How come getting health insurance wasn't a top priority for these "tens of millions" before now?

    We're not entitled to reasonably priced health insurance here in the middle class.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    We're not entitled to reasonably priced health insurance here in the middle class.
    Correct. And it was deliberately designed that way. What the -ists wanted along was a single payer system and they are willing to do any uncaring, unethical, dishonest deed to get more people willing to try a complete -ist form of government.
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hey there finebead, it's been a while

    I thought we had put this comparison to rest long ago...

    1. It is a privilege to own and drive a car, not a right.

    2. If auto insurance covered oil changes, and wiper blades, you'd have a closer analogy, not equal but closer.

    3. There is NO federal mandate that you must have auto insurance, this is left to the states.

    The two are different requirements all together.
    Hi j-mac, yes it has been a while.

    You pointed out the differences, and I pointed out the similarities.

    You are right, a car is a privilege, and that makes health insurance much more important, it is a moral imperative. We know this because it is about the life and death of living humans. Much more important to have health ins. than car insurance when it is a moral imperative. We know it is a moral imperative, because if a seriously injured person from an auto accident comes in, the LAW says the ER MUST treat him and save his life if possible. They don't inquire if you have health ins. But if you don't, why stick your fellow citizens with your bill if you are too irresponsible to carry the health insurance that you should. But, without supervision, people will do that. And when it is not right, the govt. passes laws to compel people to do the right thing. The states compel you to carry car ins. and now the federal govt. will compel you to do the right thing and carry health ins. That's the way it should be. If society compels the hospital to save your life, you should be compelled to be prepared to pay for it.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    Hi j-mac, yes it has been a while.

    You pointed out the differences, and I pointed out the similarities.

    You are right, a car is a privilege, and that makes health insurance much more important, it is a moral imperative. We know this because it is about the life and death of living humans. Much more important to have health ins. than car insurance when it is a moral imperative. We know it is a moral imperative, because if a seriously injured person from an auto accident comes in, the LAW says the ER MUST treat him and save his life if possible. They don't inquire if you have health ins. But if you don't, why stick your fellow citizens with your bill if you are too irresponsible to carry the health insurance that you should. But, without supervision, people will do that. And when it is not right, the govt. passes laws to compel people to do the right thing. The states compel you to carry car ins. and now the federal govt. will compel you to do the right thing and carry health ins. That's the way it should be. If society compels the hospital to save your life, you should be compelled to be prepared to pay for it.
    Our fundamental disagreement seems to be who's purview this falls under? See, I believe that powers not specifically enumerated under Article 1, Section 8 are delegated to the states to figure out for themselves. That simple understanding is whether or not one wants an all powerful federal system making decisions for the entirety of the American population, and dictating from on high, or whether the people have more accountability at a more local level. You seem to want a more centralized government, I don't.
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah? How they supposed to do that when Reid says he will not appoint negotiators, and Obama says that he shouldn't have to offer anything? This mess is totally the demo's fault.
    How about actually bring forth a negotable item?

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