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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    There are lots of options. Overall, the only two ways to meaningfully control costs are to go full force toward a government takeover and expect government to suppress the costs actively, or abolish health insurance as it currently exists and let cash-only markets for health care pull prices down naturally.

    Other more specific ideas:

    1) Overturn EMTALA; provide expanded tort protection for emergency health care staff and departments (allow ER doctors to turn away non-emergencies); eliminate the practice of admitting uninsured patients to hospitals to cover providers' own asses and then spreading the costs to insured patients.
    2) Prohibit coverage for preventive care, office visits, wellness checks, etc., except for specific procedures/diagnostic tests that have shown incontrovertible proof of being cost-saving. Open up more non-critical care to cash-only markets (no insurance coverage permitted).
    3) Repeal Medicare D
    4) Prohibit insurance coverage of addictive agents (opioids, amphetamines, benzodiazepines, sleep agents) outside of hospital settings.
    5) Reform Medicare A-C
    6) Abolish private health insurance or relegate it to coverage of out-of-work expenses and implement across-the-board governmentalized health insurance (not actually something I desire, but nonetheless would be a hell of a lot better than PPACA).
    Gov't health care is the same as insurance-run healthcare in the US because the US gummint and insurance cos. are one and the same.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If they are not competing, getting Sweetheart deals, and lobbying, then that is the fault of the government, the people you want to be in charge, There are anti trust laws available which the government could have used, just as Reagan used against AT&T but the government wanted the power this will bring. You are now their servant.
    It is not just the fault of the govt., it is also the fault of the greedy leaders of the healthcare industry who are raping the nation. Why do you give them a pass, when a hip transplant here would run $100K and you can get the same thing in Belgium for $13K?

    This administration is the only one that has stepped up to healthcare reform. Why haven't the repubs, they held all of congress from 1994-2006, with the white house from 2001-2008? I don't think Obamacare is the best system possible, but I view it as a step in the right direction, and it cured the worst problems of health insurance, the ability of the ins. company to reject sick customers, and the ability to drop paying customers who got seriously ill. Nobody else stepped up to that, and for that I give the dems credit.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    It is not just the fault of the govt., it is also the fault of the greedy leaders of the healthcare industry who are raping the nation. Why do you give them a pass, when a hip transplant here would run $100K and you can get the same thing in Belgium for $13K?

    This administration is the only one that has stepped up to healthcare reform. Why haven't the repubs, they held all of congress from 1994-2006, with the white house from 2001-2008? I don't think Obamacare is the best system possible, but I view it as a step in the right direction, and it cured the worst problems of health insurance, the ability of the ins. company to reject sick customers, and the ability to drop paying customers who got seriously ill. Nobody else stepped up to that, and for that I give the dems credit.
    It's the government who is 'raping the nation'. Washington DC is now the wealthiest city in the country and the taxes they accumulate and the money they continue to print still cannot keep up with the expenses, and the debt continues to grow. Do you really believe that the government is on your side, and that it will look after you?

    Insurance companies can always be controlled by the government, but who will control the government?

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare[W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Just one example on how Obama care will screw you..........Biggest Ponzi scheme in the history of this country.


    One man's ObamaCare nightmare | Fox News
    Man Who Understands 8% Of Obamacare Vigorously Defends It From Man Who Understands 5% | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

    Yep, pretty much sums up this forum.
    "Obamacare delenda est"

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare[W:51]

    What was it your Girlfriend Pelosi say? "Lets pass the bill and read it later."
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare[W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    What was it your Girlfriend Pelosi say? "Lets pass the bill and read it later."
    Yep, that's what Grandma Girlfriend must have said once.
    "Obamacare delenda est"

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare[W:51]

    It goes way beyond health care and the intent isn't even health care......

    I love how progressives believe Obama gives a **** about them.

    If Obama gives progressives free health care so they can file malpractice suits on demand while they get their free cell pbone and free food along with their social workers and gumbint "whatever they can get" nonsense will they support democrats?

    Will they support typical educated voters who want that **** gone?

    I suppose every pogressive believes they're in the minority or too smart, hence knows whats best for everyone else.

    I suppose my last statement is the truth...

    Oh yeah you hate my ilk but want to "help" my ilk.... Yeah hard to believe...

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    It is not just the fault of the govt., it is also the fault of the greedy leaders of the healthcare industry who are raping the nation. Why do you give them a pass, when a hip transplant here would run $100K and you can get the same thing in Belgium for $13K?

    This administration is the only one that has stepped up to healthcare reform. Why haven't the repubs, they held all of congress from 1994-2006, with the white house from 2001-2008? I don't think Obamacare is the best system possible, but I view it as a step in the right direction, and it cured the worst problems of health insurance, the ability of the ins. company to reject sick customers, and the ability to drop paying customers who got seriously ill. Nobody else stepped up to that, and for that I give the dems credit.
    Here's a great defense of the law, and more importantly the purpose of the law:

    Obamacare Exchanges Start Tuesday, Oct. 1. Here's Why They're Worth It | New Republic
    "Obamacare delenda est"

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Wow, one case? Well, we should just scrap it all then and any other bill that affects one person negatively. I mean we can't have any bills that affect ANYONE negatively now can we?

    In all seriousness, I don't like Obamacare and think it should be scrapped, but not for the reason that is listed in your article. NO program in it's history has not had the record of being perfectly positive to EVERYONE.
    I love your response. Even people who oppose the law should understand how to oppose it correctly, and not use one or two individual stories to build a case off of. Also, fun story, I actually had a Facebook friend "de-friend" me for literally stating what you just said to them when they posted a similar OP on their FB wall.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare[W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    It goes way beyond health care and the intent isn't even health care......

    I love how progressives believe Obama gives a **** about them.

    If Obama gives progressives free health care so they can file malpractice suits on demand while they get their free cell pbone and free food along with their social workers and gumbint "whatever they can get" nonsense will they support democrats?

    Will they support typical educated voters who want that **** gone?

    I suppose every pogressive believes they're in the minority or too smart, hence knows whats best for everyone else.

    I suppose my last statement is the truth...

    Oh yeah you hate my ilk but want to "help" my ilk.... Yeah hard to believe...
    Actually, I'd settle for your "ilk" to just stop with your hyperbolic nonsense.

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