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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Now I don't claim to be an expert on HSA's, HRA's or FSA's, but from what I can find is that HSA's are allowed under the ACA. And the only thing I can find on your claim that accumulated HSA funds (and interest) will be taxed as income is only addressed as that which is spent on "non-medical purposes" or "over-the-counter medications not prescribed by a doctor".

    Am I missing something here?


    I even found it on a site that some cons may prefer...
    I was not aware of that, thank you for the link. I'd be interesting in seeing if HSA/catastrophic plans will be allowed as stand alone policies or as supplements. When the bill originally went thru the explanation of "qualifying plans" all had to include preventative care including checkups, which catastrophic plans do not provide. I could see them working in conjunction with Medicare, but what about the rest of us?

    A couple of years ago I approached our local electric coop with the idea of having them extend their internal health insurance program currently used by their employee's to the members. It is a non profit, so costs should be lower. The president of the coop contacted me and said that he thought it was a great idea (if you choose to use their insurance the cost would be added to your power bill) and would just require expansion of their HR department. The offer an HSA/ catastrophic plan. He said that when he asked their attorneys about it they were concerned that the program would not be supported under ACA.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    My family is self ensured, our premium went up from 580 a month to almost 800 per month. Our pharmacy benefits decreased, our copays increased, and our deductible increased. I also know many hospitals that are cutting budgets and laying off staff (job destruction) in anticipation of Obamacare.
    Yeah, my wife is a medical lab tech and we hear this a lot from doctors with private practices. Many of them are closing, doctors are planning retirement, and some have stopped accepting Medicare/ Medicaid.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare[W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This is why (re C and P) the present administration has actually advertised for people to go on food stamps, and why they insist on the debt growing even greater. The plan to break the United States appears to be deliberate.
    That's exactly right. Ie: "fundamental transformation"
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare[W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We haven't socialized it. We don't have UHC. UHC hasn't been proposed. so ACA doesn't qualify as socialized medicine.

    So I repeat: For passing it, no. For pretending it's radical liberalism, yes. Do pay attention.
    Better tell Harry Reid, and your own red sweater vest wearing dumb ass, Harkin that. They both said this was the path to UHC...that's how libs lie.
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Yeah, my wife is a medical lab tech and we hear this a lot from doctors with private practices. Many of them are closing, doctors are planning retirement, and some have stopped accepting Medicare/ Medicaid.
    I've discussed things with doctors in hospitals, pharmacists, and a pharmacy manager who manages a hospital pharmacy. They have a consensus that the reforms are bad news. It's anecdotal, but they give rational reasons behind their opinions.
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Just as I said. Having health insurance or not having health insurance makes no difference in future health problems.

    I provided you with more than enough clues to find the study and it's already been linked many times before now. It's common public knowledge not an obscure study.

    Spend your time finding it this time.
    I just did a quick search and see the opposite. Are you sure they aren't saying don't save money?

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare[W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Better tell Harry Reid, and your own red sweater vest wearing dumb ass, Harkin that. They both said this was the path to UHC...that's how libs lie.
    Are you saying if I find something stupid a republican says that I can then say that's the absolute truth? Don't forget I have Steve King here!

    I sure hope you understand how silly your statement was. Someone saying something doesn't make it so.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I've discussed things with doctors in hospitals, pharmacists, and a pharmacy manager who manages a hospital pharmacy. They have a consensus that the reforms are bad news. It's anecdotal, but they give rational reasons behind their opinions.
    I'm much more likely to trust what medical professionals are saying about it than what we are hearing from Obama and friends.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    I'm much more likely to trust what medical professionals are saying about it than what we are hearing from Obama and friends.
    Great! Here are what they are saying:

    Our Mission: Single-Payer National Health Insurance

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Another difference from the original post is that the original premium the family paid was ONLY AVAILABLE TO HEALTHY FAMILIES THAT THE INSURANCE COMPANY WOULD ACCEPT. They had the right to deny coverage to sick families. The new premium comes with a guarantee that they MUST COVER all families.

    Why was it ok for insurance companies to deny coverage to families with pre-existing conditions?

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