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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    OMG, are you still blaming the Republicans for passing this law. You people always come up with talking points to blame the Republicans for laws they voted against. I can have an idea too, but just because I think of it doesn't mean I want it passed. At some point you have to take responsibility for voting for that law and own it. I'm against UHC too. This law is purely leftwing incrementalism, and I think it's going to be a disaster. But you people wanted it, and the Supreme Court okayed it as a tax.
    For passing it, no. For pretending it's radical liberalism, yes. Do pay attention.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare[W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    For passing it, no. For pretending it's radical liberalism, yes. Do pay attention.
    Republicans had no input in crafting it, and were locked out.
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare[W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Republicans had no input in crafting it, and were locked out.
    No. republicans stated they would do anything to derail, and thus removed themselves from the process. You can't declare you'll oppose anything and expect a seat at the table. And don't make anyone link that quote again for you.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare[W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. republicans stated they would do anything to derail, and thus removed themselves from the process. You can't declare you'll oppose anything and expect a seat at the table. And don't make anyone link that quote again for you.
    That is a misleading lie. Demos didn't want to negotiate anything. Still don't.
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by shagg View Post
    Fair enough. But you're saying you have the right to insure yourself as you see fit. I would have no problem with this if taxpayers didn't have to foot the bill when your cheap insurance (or lack there of for many many people) comes up short. When emergency rooms became legally obligated to treat anyone who walks through their doors, despite ability to pay, mandatory insurance of a certain caliber became an inevitability. And the longer we wait the more painful it will be.
    I'm not asking you to foot the bill, and in my system you wouldn't have to foot the bill because I am covering BOTH the cost of insurance and the cost of the deductible through my health savings plan.

    Also, the nice thing about a health savings plan is that I can carry it over, and when the time comes that the current system is no longer serviceable I can use the savings I have amassed in that account to pay for or partially subsidize a more comprehensive plan that I CHOOSE.

    But that is all broken now because douchebag Democrats can't seem to "fix" anything anymore without destroying it first.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare[W:51]

    It's funny to see liberals talk about personal responsibility.

    I agree though. I think everyone should pay their own way. Everybody. Even those young skulls full f mush who think it is acceptable for the federal government to hijack the medical system. So I'm helping.

    About a month ago my 21 year old stepson moved in with us. The plan was that he was going to go to college here. His father is a lazy piece of **** and rather than be a good parent and teach his son the skills he would need to take care of himself, he decided it would be easier to just be his friend. So the stepson was raised in a home where all they did was play video games. At 21 he has the maturity level of a 15 year old. He calls himself a gamer, I call him a vidiot.

    So the agreement was that he would come here and sign up for school. I required no payment from him, the only stipulation being that he had to hold at least a part time job. My wife added him to our family insurance policy. After a month and a half he still had no job and had not signed up for school. I'm thinking it might be tough to get a job if you stay up all night playing video games and sleep all day.

    Last week he "borrowed" some money from my wife so he could drive back down to Florida to see his girlfriend who just started college in Pensacola. He texted his mother and told her he was moving in with her down there. So I guess school and a job are not really in the cards.

    Did I mention this idiot voted for Obama? You know why? BECAUSE HE WAS COOL. I'm not ****ting you, what he actually said was that it seemed like it was time to have a cool black guy for a president.

    So I dropped him from the insurance. Good luck with that exchange. Guess he'll need to get a job now. He'll be finding out just how cool his choice is, huh?

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by shagg View Post
    Fair enough. But you're saying you have the right to insure yourself as you see fit. I would have no problem with this if taxpayers didn't have to foot the bill when your cheap insurance (or lack there of for many many people) comes up short. When emergency rooms became legally obligated to treat anyone who walks through their doors, despite ability to pay, mandatory insurance of a certain caliber became an inevitability. And the longer we wait the more painful it will be.
    Taxpayers don't have to foot the bill for health care on anybody. To do so was decisions made by elected officials. ER's not being legally obligated to treat anybody that comes thru their doors with no intention to pay is an option. A good one I would add.
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post


    Routine care, while less expensive, is also something that is on going. Many of the working poor have to make more difficult decisions, and health care is often left unmet. This does a few things. One they are set up to have more health problems. And this leads to more serious issues later on, and then we pay for it.
    That study done out in Oregon shows otherwise. Health insurance/no health insurance, makes no difference in health.
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Taxpayers don't have to foot the bill for health care on anybody. To do so was decisions made by elected officials. ER's not being legally obligated to treat anybody that comes thru their doors with no intention to pay is an option. A good one I would add.
    People who don't pay for their health care are just one of the reasons health care is so expensive. The government doesn't pay these bills, the providers roll the costs in to what they charge those of us who do pay. Now IF (and that's a big if) this law actually meant that everybody was going to have insurance (which it won't, in fact estimates are that just as many people who do not have insurance now will be without it after this plan goes in to effect) perhaps those costs could come down. Of course, that would be assuming that the costs would actually be adjusted down as though it were a competitive private market AND the reductions would more than make up for the extra administrative costs involved with Obamacare. In fact, the administrative costs of providers dealing with insurance companies makes up about 1/4 of our total "health care" costs. Obamacare adds another layer of bureaucracy, and it is likely to be like everything else government, inefficient. But that's OK, everybody will understand it soon enough.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I'm not asking you to foot the bill, and in my system you wouldn't have to foot the bill because I am covering BOTH the cost of insurance and the cost of the deductible through my health savings plan.

    Also, the nice thing about a health savings plan is that I can carry it over, and when the time comes that the current system is no longer serviceable I can use the savings I have amassed in that account to pay for or partially subsidize a more comprehensive plan that I CHOOSE.

    But that is all broken now because douchebag Democrats can't seem to "fix" anything anymore without destroying it first.
    I'm going to go ahead and assume this method of health coverage isn't new. And that fits into a larger problem that has caused a need for change. People, for whatever reason, are really really lazy when it comes to their own health care. People do not shop around for anything really or understand much of whats going on with their care, bills, coverage, and alternative options for all 3. Arguably, the government could have created an agency or program of some sort to hold peoples hands and walk them through the system down the path that lead to a good solid compromise between cost and coverage/care. No idea how much it would cost the nation, but it might have been ... more efficient than the ACA.

    The fact that you'll no longer be able to do things the way you have been does not mean you have no right to choose. You can still choose from a variety of coverage options and combinations, there's just minimums that have been set now, so you can't take certain risks in exchange for lower rates. Also, Healthcare reform resulted in the ACA. If republicans were able to accept the fact that the ACA isn't going to be repealed, they might be able to make some very good improvements on it, some much needed improvements. In debate, the Nirvana Fallacy is known and recognized. Republicans seem to be committing it with their total and complete rejection of all things ACA because it isn't perfect. But they spend all their time and effort finding those imperfections (and inventing them when needed) and pushing the nations face in them.

    Want to keep your plan? I'm sure it could happen under the ACA with some constructive debate and compromise. The ACA is here to stay but the details aren't written in stone. But republicans can't seem to allow anything with obamas name on it to stand, never mind participate in its successful reform and implementation. They've invested too heavily in its (and his) failure.
    Could It Be Semantics Generating This Mess We're In?

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