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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    And Boo Radley knows because he reads Obama's website.
    Yes, and he and Nancy Pelosi knows that it's not what you think it is.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Yet more CON games

    First I keep asking and you keep avoiding- you don't have much experience with insurance do you?

    Next once you get past the 'bumper sticker' crap and look at why the premiums are going up you see the final gasp of the huge insurance conglomerates hiking rates to maximize their profit pre ACA. Humana didn't hike their premium rate due to the ACA, that tripling came BEFORE the law kicks in.

    Next the charts leave out one key detail, premium rise will occur in the younger set, the older and growing set will hold steady or decrease. So I can see the youngsters screaming, even those who have employer subsidized insurance, but the older segment of society is a huge part of our society

    So what is the biggest part of any predicted rate increase, and let's remember the increase so feared is as much a part of those who hate and are fighting ACA than any real numbers.

    The biggest part is expanding coverage PER PERSON. What was never covered is now covered. This will make a big difference down the road as our resident partisan 'I gotta hate the ACA' crowd refuse to see is detecting and treating early is far less expensive for the patient and their family. Co-pays can destroy a family's budget.

    So I can see young folks being mad that the healthcare industry will receive a long overdue reform, it isn't perfect and the very self centered youth are mad, but for the rest of the nation let's see before we judge.

    But back on the OP, NP brought in a pile of steaming crap that had nothing to due with ACA but the greed of Humana. In Cal's chart where is the state with a 300% rate increase????

    There is no state but the one of Denial.

    Given the 'experts' in elections and war making on the CON side of the room I'd say let's wait and see how this whole thing shakes out before believing articles posted on CON websites.

    IF the massive rate increases occur like the CONs claim ACA will be dropped like a hot rock.
    This argument that it is not perfect and it still needs reform will be going on for decades. Meanwhile the bureaucracy will grow tremendously, the government will exercise more power over the individual, and every election will largely be about government health care, how to save it, and if it isn't saved little old ladies will be thrown off cliff tops. It's almost, but not quite, comical.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    You have not been paying attention have you?

    I said HUMANA has for crap plans that are over priced and under coverage compared to many other sources.

    Several have pointed out all this blaming of the ACA is premature as the new regulations have not kicked in yet, the 300% rate increase is due to HUMANA price gouging NOT ACA.
    Many of the regulations have kicked in already. Those benefits are "free to the consumer" but cost insurance companies money, so they had to raise premiums. Are you even familiar wth what this law actually does?

    Obamacare Will Increase Health Spending By $7,450 For A Typical Family of Four - Forbes

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    And Boo Radley knows because he reads Obama's website.
    No. I know because I read a lot of things. You could know as well if you stopped reading the misinformation.

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post

    So what is the biggest part of any predicted rate increase, and let's remember the increase so feared is as much a part of those who hate and are fighting ACA than any real numbers.

    The biggest part is expanding coverage PER PERSON. What was never covered is now covered. This will make a big difference down the road as our resident partisan 'I gotta hate the ACA' crowd refuse to see is detecting and treating early is far less expensive for the patient and their family. Co-pays can destroy a family's budget.
    My oh my how the selling point for this disaster keeps changing.

    First off it was "everybody gets insurance". Proven lie already.

    Then it was "premiums will go down". Proven lie already.

    Then it was "keep the insurance you already have". Proven lie already.

    Then it was "can't be turned down". Proven lie already. (Open enrollment periods will be almost exactly like they are now)

    Now the lie is, "expanding coverage makes it worth it". This is nothing more than another reason why many people will lose their health insurance. Premiums go up, many can't afford it. Premiums go up, many employers can't afford to pay it. So people lose their health insurance or can't afford to buy it because the government knows better than the customer as to what the insurance must cover. Who is going to go out and buy insurance because the coverage is going to be expanded? Had they wanted it or could afford expanded coverage, they would already have it.

    Is there any wonder why the American public has been against this disaster from the very start?

    And any of the above doesn't even get into the loss of freedom and liberty that the American citizen can never get back.
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. I know because I read a lot of things. You could know as well if you stopped reading the misinformation.
    Oh well, you read a lot of "things"? That citation is unassailable!

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, and he and Nancy Pelosi knows that it's not what you think it is.
    So... no unicorns? More unicorns?

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    You have not been paying attention have you?

    I said HUMANA has for crap plans that are over priced and under coverage compared to many other sources.

    Several have pointed out all this blaming of the ACA is premature as the new regulations have not kicked in yet, the 300% rate increase is due to HUMANA price gouging NOT ACA.
    Really, if so just wait till ACA kicks in.
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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This argument that it is not perfect and it still needs reform will be going on for decades. Meanwhile the bureaucracy will grow tremendously, the government will exercise more power over the individual, and every election will largely be about government health care, how to save it, and if it isn't saved little old ladies will be thrown off cliff tops. It's almost, but not quite, comical.
    CON under and then overstatement with a generous helping of misdirection....

    That the system isn't perfect is a HUGE understatement. I can only surmise most who hate ACA have a vested interest in keeping the current system going or have their healthcare provided for them by someone else. REFORM???? According to the Kaiser Family Research crowd from 1999 to 2009 premiums rose 131% while inflation was 28%. I'd say the 'reform' by that much CON loved 'invisible hand' is invisible itself.

    What many seem to miss is the 'bureaucracy' is already inplace, every state runs an insurance bureaucracy and due to the complex mish mash of insurance companies, policies and forms many doctors and medical facilities have a massive workforce with no other job but deal with the paperwork.

    With or without ACA every election will focus on healthcare, the premium increase some CONs decry that hasn't happened yet compared to the premium increases that have happened and show no sign of stopping on their own.

    Funny those opposed to ACA should revisit someone getting thrown off the cliffs- wasn't that a huge scream about ACA with 'death panels' and abandoned elderly????

    The flip flop of the CON gamers is almost, but not quite, comical...

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    Re: One man's ObamaCare nightmare

    Yes I have insurance, its given to me by an employer for my labor, and its likely to go away since my 36 hours are going to be reduced to 28 January 1, 2014.

    Just to put a "fail" into your claim that insurance companies are raising rates to maximize profits ahead of the obamafarce the state of CA regulates "profits" on insurance companies and would forbid such a policy / effort. Since CA is 11-12% of the population in the US your wet dream of corporate hatred for insurance companies is false - just like the claims you've made about your rates going down but then later say they will probably go up. What a joke - from your own post no less.






    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Yet more CON games

    First I keep asking and you keep avoiding- you don't have much experience with insurance do you?

    Next once you get past the 'bumper sticker' crap and look at why the premiums are going up you see the final gasp of the huge insurance conglomerates hiking rates to maximize their profit pre ACA. Humana didn't hike their premium rate due to the ACA, that tripling came BEFORE the law kicks in.

    Next the charts leave out one key detail, premium rise will occur in the younger set, the older and growing set will hold steady or decrease. So I can see the youngsters screaming, even those who have employer subsidized insurance, but the older segment of society is a huge part of our society

    So what is the biggest part of any predicted rate increase, and let's remember the increase so feared is as much a part of those who hate and are fighting ACA than any real numbers.

    The biggest part is expanding coverage PER PERSON. What was never covered is now covered. This will make a big difference down the road as our resident partisan 'I gotta hate the ACA' crowd refuse to see is detecting and treating early is far less expensive for the patient and their family. Co-pays can destroy a family's budget.

    So I can see young folks being mad that the healthcare industry will receive a long overdue reform, it isn't perfect and the very self centered youth are mad, but for the rest of the nation let's see before we judge.

    But back on the OP, NP brought in a pile of steaming crap that had nothing to due with ACA but the greed of Humana. In Cal's chart where is the state with a 300% rate increase????

    There is no state but the one of Denial.

    Given the 'experts' in elections and war making on the CON side of the room I'd say let's wait and see how this whole thing shakes out before believing articles posted on CON websites.

    IF the massive rate increases occur like the CONs claim ACA will be dropped like a hot rock.

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