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    Re: Lower Health Insurance Premiums to Come at Cost of Fewer Choices

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah? Tell me how GE, Home Depot, Sea World, and a host of other big companies dropping their insurance benefit altogether is not a forced change of insurance to those people? Premiums going up, companies either cutting the benefit, or cutting hours to fall under the 30 hour full time provision, not to mention that this 2800 page monstrosity is causing such uncertainty that most companies are just sitting on their business and hurting the economy.

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    Re: Lower Health Insurance Premiums to Come at Cost of Fewer Choices

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I've never seen one that was different.
    So you have seen all the insurance companies terms and conditions in all 50 states?

    So? You still have access. You said we didn't.
    No I said that the insurance company defined who you had access to.. on their dime. Go outside that list, and you either pay full price or a penalty. Big difference. The claim of the OP was that there was "limiting of choice", which is not true. The choice has always been there, but how much you pay for that choice depends on the insurance company.

    Backpedal if you need to.
    I am not the one backpedaling

    It still is not what you said. You thought it was actually going to be cheaper.
    I did? Where did I write that..or can you read my thoughts? Nothing gets cheaper, especially in a private run healthcare system in the most capitalistic egocentric country on the planet. Now it might not go up by nearly as much as it would have before the law, and yes that is a "saving", aka cheaper for the consumer in relation to being without the law. That has to come down as a plus no?

    Or do you really think that the GOP has a plan or any idea on brining DOWN the cost of healthcare? hahahahaha yea right.
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    Re: Lower Health Insurance Premiums to Come at Cost of Fewer Choices

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Go read the last 3 words in the post of mine you quoted. They are important.

    And over the top hyperbole is LoLz...
    Because of this are your last 3 words, and I said exactly what is going on today
    "Because of this"....So what are you laughing at Red? Is there a mirror near?
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    Re: Lower Health Insurance Premiums to Come at Cost of Fewer Choices

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You probably should have read your source beyond the headline. This is only for people who get their insurance from the Exchanges, so your keep your doctor and insurance plan thing are silly. Further, this is for lower income people, which means it is better than what they have. No rationing, no forced change of insurance because of this.
    and many many companies are dropping there company provided health care and forcing the employees and or spouses/family into the exchanges

    Home Depot 20,000
    Home Depot Drops Big Obamacare Surprise on 20,000 Employees | TheBlaze.com

    UPS 15,000 spouses
    UPS to drop 15,000 workers' spouses from insurance, blames Obamacare - Aug. 21, 2013

    Walgreen’s decision affects about 160,000 current employees and follows similar action this year by Sears Holdings Corp. (SHLD) and Darden Restaurants Inc. (DRI) As an alternative to administering a traditional health plan, all three will send their employees to an exchange run byAon Plc. (AON) Fourteen more companies will join in 2014 when 600,000 people will participate, Aon said.
    Video: Walgreens to dump employee coverage for 160,000 « Hot Air



    22,000 senior citizens just lost their health plan with Harvard Pilgrim Health Care
    22,000 lose their health insurance due to Obamacare, as healthcare costs rise - Washington DC SCOTUS | Examiner.com


    Congressional Budget Office (CBO). The CBO published an entire report dedicated to estimating the loss of employer-sponsored insurance (ESI). Attempting to model employer behavior, its low-end projection was that 5 million people will lose ESI. Under a different scenario, as many as 20 million fewer Americans could have ESI by 2019.
    McKinsey and Company. McKinsey, another consulting firm, found that “30 percent of employers will definitely or probably stop offering ESI in the years after 2014.”
    American Action Forum. Douglas Holtz-Eakin, former CBO director and president of the American Action Forum, estimated that Obamacare “provides strong incentives for employers—with the agreement of their employees—to drop employer-sponsored health insurance for as many as 35 million Americans.”
    What Are the Odds Your Employer Will Drop Health Coverage? | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News Blog from The Heritage Foundation

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    Re: Lower Health Insurance Premiums to Come at Cost of Fewer Choices

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Because of this are your last 3 words, and I said exactly what is going on today
    "Because of this"....So what are you laughing at Red? Is there a mirror near?
    The story is about the insurance exchanges, and because of those(see, that would be, you know, the topic of the thread) no one is being rationed or forced to change doctors.
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    Re: Lower Health Insurance Premiums to Come at Cost of Fewer Choices

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    and many many companies are dropping there company provided health care and forcing the employees into the exchanges

    Home Depot 20,000
    Home Depot Drops Big Obamacare Surprise on 20,000 Employees | TheBlaze.com

    UPS 15,000 spouses
    UPS to drop 15,000 workers' spouses from insurance, blames Obamacare - Aug. 21, 2013

    Walgreen’s decision affects about 160,000 current employees and follows similar action this year by Sears Holdings Corp. (SHLD) and Darden Restaurants Inc. (DRI) As an alternative to administering a traditional health plan, all three will send their employees to an exchange run byAon Plc. (AON) Fourteen more companies will join in 2014 when 600,000 people will participate, Aon said.
    Video: Walgreens to dump employee coverage for 160,000 « Hot Air



    22,000 senior citizens just lost their health plan with Harvard Pilgrim Health Care
    22,000 lose their health insurance due to Obamacare, as healthcare costs rise - Washington DC SCOTUS | Examiner.com


    Congressional Budget Office (CBO). The CBO published an entire report dedicated to estimating the loss of employer-sponsored insurance (ESI). Attempting to model employer behavior, its low-end projection was that 5 million people will lose ESI. Under a different scenario, as many as 20 million fewer Americans could have ESI by 2019.
    McKinsey and Company. McKinsey, another consulting firm, found that “30 percent of employers will definitely or probably stop offering ESI in the years after 2014.”
    American Action Forum. Douglas Holtz-Eakin, former CBO director and president of the American Action Forum, estimated that Obamacare “provides strong incentives for employers—with the agreement of their employees—to drop employer-sponsored health insurance for as many as 35 million Americans.”
    What Are the Odds Your Employer Will Drop Health Coverage? | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News Blog from The Heritage Foundation
    Moving the goalposts already I see.

    And LoLz @ your sources.
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    Re: Lower Health Insurance Premiums to Come at Cost of Fewer Choices

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The story is about the insurance exchanges, and because of those(see, that would be, you know, the topic of the thread) no one is being rationed or forced to change doctors.
    are you blind? have you not read the any of the post in this thread burring your head in the sand or running around with your fingers in your ears will not make the truth go away

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    Re: Lower Health Insurance Premiums to Come at Cost of Fewer Choices

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So you have seen all the insurance companies terms and conditions in all 50 states?
    Even with exceptions, it obliterates your absolute statement.


    No I said that the insurance company defined who you had access to.. on their dime.
    No, you didn't. And you KNOW you didn't.


    I am not the one backpedaling
    Indeed you are.



    It still is not what you said. You thought it was actually going to be cheaper.
    I did? Where did I write that..or can you read my thoughts? Nothing gets cheaper, especially in a private run healthcare system in the most capitalistic egocentric country on the planet.


    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    so how is this any different other than it is now cheaper?
    Why did you bother? Do you not remember what you write from post to post?


    Or do you really think that the GOP has a plan or any idea on brining DOWN the cost of healthcare? hahahahaha yea right.
    Funny; I didn't say a word about "the GOP."
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    Re: Lower Health Insurance Premiums to Come at Cost of Fewer Choices

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Moving the goalposts already I see.

    And LoLz @ your sources.
    didn't move the goal post an inch did I

    dispute that facts then if you don't like the source

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    Re: Lower Health Insurance Premiums to Come at Cost of Fewer Choices

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    Hey liberals what was it your messiah promised us again "You can keep your doctor" "you can keep your insurance plan"

    this train wreck was sold to the American Public on a lie. If a company would have done the same you could return the product for a full refund or sue and win
    if you're referring to me specifically, i've always thought that the PPACA was a POS. i supported single payer like most other first world countries have already. i think we'll get there eventually, but now we have to let this stupid compromise plan waste time and money until we come to our senses and put something into place that might actually work.

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