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    Re: Victims family releases graphic video of his death

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Maybe the guy should have stopped and took his $25 seatbelt fine instead of running and putting everyone's life in danger including the cops.
    Easy solution. Then again...the driver was a lifetime thug who had a history of being in and out of prison. Could be he was just a teensy bit more concerned about something other than the 25$ fine.

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    Re: Victims family releases graphic video of his death

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    One would have to consider the thought process of an individual who would resist a $25 infraction by instigating a pursuit that may have severely endangered innocent bystanders and in this case, lead to his own death. The decision to run and endanger both himself and others is what actually lead to his death, not the $25 ticket. Why did this individual actually run? A $25 ticket hardly seems a logical reason to do so. In this case and probably many others, the illogical decision to run from a minor infraction simply indicates the possibility/probability that the individual running is also involved in other, more dangerous criminal activity.

    Yes, the cop could of taken down his licenses plate number and cited him later. However, by running, the criminal gave police probable cause that a crime, other than a seatbelt infraction may be occurring and the fleeing itself became a crime which endangered others.
    He's a dumbass no question, but we can't run over every idiot. Not long ago, when a motorcycle rider in a nearby city was chased by the cops and crashed, it led to riots. You have to weigh the benefit to be gained by pursuing a petty criminal like this against any number of possible tragic outcomes.

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    Re: Victims family releases graphic video of his death

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Maybe the guy should have stopped and took his $25 seatbelt fine instead of running and putting everyone's life in danger including the cops.
    Yes - I have 0 passion, here.

    The guy led them on a chase and bailed - all because of a seatbelt? What in the **** was he thinking
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    Re: Victims family releases graphic video of his death

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yes - I have 0 passion, here.

    The guy led them on a chase and bailed - all because of a seatbelt? What in the **** was he thinking
    yep between him and the ex-cop they are both morons, no need for a death though (not saying you suggested that
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    Re: Victims family releases graphic video of his death

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    If you backpedal any faster you're going to warp into another dimension. You made it quite clear death was not only appropriate but desired. Not intentional huh? Nobody but the cop knows for sure what his intentions were, however the video clearly shows him to be either reckless or malicious. At a bare minimum what he did was manslaughter. There is no excuse and no need to use such wild tactics for a simple eluding offense. If he were a murder suspect you could make a case but not for something that... isn't it a misdameanor?
    No backpedaling. Apparently you did not read all my posts. And yes, personally, but not as a mater of policy, I do believe that death to dangerous criminals is not only appropriate but desired. You don't put rabid dogs in cages, you put them down, permanently. That way, just like these criminals, they never are again a threat to anyone.

    While there is not much I care for in deeply Islamic societies, I do indeed like they way they handle some criminals. I have issues on what they define as criminal activity, but not much in how they handle criminals. Go to Riyadh, during prayer call, you will see all kinds of shops open and unattended, some with even millions of dollars of inventory laying out. Try that in a US city. Saudi Arabia has a murder rate of 1 per 100,000, the US has 4.7.

    The seat belt infraction was a minor. However, had he lived, he probably would of been charged with felony fleeing, because when he did he disregard public safety and endangered others.

    I didn't see any recklessness or maliciousness. The only reason that criminal was not a "murderer" was he got lucky and didn't kill anyone while he was fleeing.
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    Re: Victims family releases graphic video of his death

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    While there is not much I care for in deeply Islamic societies, I do indeed like they way they handle some criminals. I have issues on what they define as criminal activity, but not much in how they handle criminals. Go to Riyadh, during prayer call, you will see all kinds of shops open and unattended, some with even millions of dollars of inventory laying out. Try that in a US city. Saudi Arabia has a murder rate of 1 per 100,000, the US has 4.7.
    Funny how that works with authoritarianism ...

    I didn't see any recklessness or maliciousness. The only reason that criminal was not a "murderer" was he got lucky and didn't kill anyone while he was fleeing.
    I'm not sure how speeding towards someone on wet grass can be described as anything but reckless

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    Re: Victims family releases graphic video of his death

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Funny how that works with authoritarianism ...
    I trend towards Libertarian views on what should be criminal law, but also lean towards authoritarianism when it comes to punishment and enforcement.

    Oh well, I also think that "cruel and unusual punishment" and the 5th Amendment should removed from the constitution and accurate and safe means of chemical interrogation should be researched and developed. Although I would support something similar to a warrant system like used for search warrants be issued prior to use of such drugs to prevent blanket use.
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    Re: Victims family releases graphic video of his death

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    No, it indicates the chief may believe there was a violation. His belief does not definitively prove that alleged violation is a fact.
    Well a police chief admitting that much is still a ****ing miracle in and of itself.

    Also, have you not watched the video? It clearly shows the former officer making no attempt to avoid striking the victim with his vehicle at a potentially lethal velocity, and that he drove straight into both the suspect and a chain link fence. As a result, both were trapped beneath the vehicle.

    Any department where that alone isn't a violation is a goddamn disgrace. Not to mention that the bumper most likely hit the guy in the head or neck.

    There is no reason to assume that the police chief has not seen the footage.
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    Re: Victims family releases graphic video of his death

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    What are you basing that one? His window of opportunity seemed 2-3 seconds at most(being very generous here)
    If you can't react to a threat within 2-3 seconds, you don't belong on the road, period. It can also be clearly seen that the vehicle does not slow down in relation to its surroundings or change course to avoid a collision when it was entirely possible, and other police vehicles are seen to do so in the video.
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    Re: Victims family releases graphic video of his death

    Quote Originally Posted by Morrigi View Post
    If you can't react to a threat within 2-3 seconds, you don't belong on the road, period.
    1) as I said, I was being generous with his window of opportunity there.

    2) not belonging on the road doesn't indicate it was intentional

    3) you're overplaying it: I doubt most people would have reacted in time, including you

    It can also be clearly seen that the vehicle does not slow down in relation to its surroundings or change course to avoid a collision when it was entirely possible, and other police vehicles are seen to do so in the video.
    1) ugh, there are no other police cars visible at that point of the video

    2) Under those circumstances I can't see many people reacting in time, which is why the circumstances created by the chase are so dangerous and obviously reckless

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