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Suicide Attack on Pakistani Church Kills 78 People [W:51]

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"Suicide Attack on Pakistani Church Kills 78 People". That's the topic. 5 pages in and not one post that discusses the actual topic. Let's at least pretend to be interested in the topic here folks or i'll be closing this thread.
 
The religion of peace is on a roll. This time a Christian church in Pakistan. This time 75 dead. The religion of Islam needs to be held accountable for this behavior. Dismissing it as "a few extremists" is just foolish hope that the problem will disappear if we pretend it isn't real. The problem isn't going to just "go away"; not without a great deal of political and social pressure levied against the religion of Islam. The entire religion needs to be held in shame until the members of that religion start to police their own ranks.

Suicide Attack on Pakistani Church Kills 75 People - ABC News

Political pressure won't prevent this kind of thing from happening. The extremist who do this sort of thing only know one political view, the "will of Allah".

No, what we need to do is create a volunteer army of Christians and others that will stand up and help these fellow Christians or any other religion being oppressed when they come under attack. Get Vets knowledgeable and able to train those willing to fight back. Get them arms to fight with. Train assassins to go after the radical leaders. If we can get actual fighters to volunteer, then we march into where this crap is happening and lay down some hurt onto these idiots. They want a Jihad, then it is time for Christians, Jews and any others that want to volunteer to stand up and give them a Jihad.

Lets Free the Oppressed and oppress the oppressors.
 
Political pressure won't prevent this kind of thing from happening. The extremist who do this sort of thing only know one political view, the "will of Allah".

No, what we need to do is create a volunteer army of Christians and others that will stand up and help these fellow Christians or any other religion being oppressed when they come under attack. Get Vets knowledgeable and able to train those willing to fight back. Get them arms to fight with. Train assassins to go after the radical leaders. If we can get actual fighters to volunteer, then we march into where this crap is happening and lay down some hurt onto these idiots. They want a Jihad, then it is time for Christians, Jews and any others that want to volunteer to stand up and give them a Jihad.

Lets Free the Oppressed and oppress the oppressors.

Yeah, it already IS but lets go ahead and make it official, organized a Christian army and march under that banner.

We need to use diplomacy and see how we can defuse tensions between religions and avoid attacks like this in Pakistan, not fan the flames.
 
Yeah, it already IS but lets go ahead and make it official, organized a Christian army and march under that banner.

We need to use diplomacy and see how we can defuse tensions between religions and avoid attacks like this in Pakistan, not fan the flames.

Diplomacy is always more successful to your side when you are holding a gun to the others head.

Diplomacy with radicals that use suicide bombers to kill innocents and children. Who's very religious texts are full of intolerance and hatred for non-Muslims. How do you think we can negotiate anything with the ones who are so intolerant that they do these kinds of things? The only thing that they would stop for is every person on Earth converting to their form of Islam. I only kneel before the God I chose, and if they don't like it, I will die standing fighting them before a bow to Allah.

You know how you negotiate with a suicide bomber? Head shot before he reaches the trigger device.
 
Diplomacy is always more successful to your side when you are holding a gun to the others head.

Diplomacy with radicals that use suicide bombers to kill innocents and children. Who's very religious texts are full of intolerance and hatred for non-Muslims. How do you think we can negotiate anything with the ones who are so intolerant that they do these kinds of things? The only thing that they would stop for is every person on Earth converting to their form of Islam. I only kneel before the God I chose, and if they don't like it, I will die standing fighting them before a bow to Allah.

You know how you negotiate with a suicide bomber? Head shot before he reaches the trigger device.

They are being radicalised. There is a reason why they are pissed off at the US and it most certainly IS NOT because of American values. It is because of American interference in Muslim nations internal affairs for a very long time now. Deal with it diplomatically or we can kiss our asses goodbye. We must stop events like this Pakistani church attack and the Kenyan mall attack and it cannot be done by sending out company "B", it doesn't have a military solution.
 
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They are being radicalised. There is a reason why they are pissed off at the US and it most certainly IS NOT because of American values. It is because of American interference in Muslim nations internal affairs for a very long time now. Deal with it diplomatically or we can kiss our asses goodbye. We must stop events like this Pakistani church attack and the Kenyan mall attack and it cannot be done by sending out company "B", it doesn't have a military solution.

Theres always a military solution, it just might not be the best idea to pursue it, especially with idiots in the chain of command who are unwilling to do what may be necessary.

So, please explain what these people in the church in the OP and, since you mentioned it, the people in the mall in Kenya have to do with a supposed US war on Muslims?

For that matter, what does all the violence between Shi'ites and Sunnis have to do with the US?
 
Yeah, it already IS but lets go ahead and make it official, organized a Christian army and march under that banner.

We need to use diplomacy and see how we can defuse tensions between religions and avoid attacks like this in Pakistan, not fan the flames.

So you think 'diplomacy' would work with religious fanatics? What would you say to them?
 
Theres always a military solution, it just might not be the best idea to pursue it, especially with idiots in the chain of command who are unwilling to do what may be necessary.

So, please explain what these people in the church in the OP and, since you mentioned it, the people in the mall in Kenya have to do with a supposed US war on Muslims?

For that matter, what does all the violence between Shi'ites and Sunnis have to do with the US?

Saddam Hussein didn't allow the fighting between Shi'ites and Sunnis in Iraq, the US unleashed that.
 
So you think 'diplomacy' would work with religious fanatics? What would you say to them?

They want the US out of the ME and out of the internal affairs of their countries! I would say yes. Like Ron Paul.
 
They are being radicalised. There is a reason why they are pissed off at the US and it most certainly IS NOT because of American values. It is because of American interference in Muslim nations internal affairs for a very long time now. Deal with it diplomatically or we can kiss our asses goodbye. We must stop events like this Pakistani church attack and the Kenyan mall attack and it cannot be done by sending out company "B", it doesn't have a military solution.

It's a good thing you have access to what's going on in the terrorists minds. Are you listening to their Imams? Perhaps you should share your knowledge with the intelligence agencies.
 
They want the US out of the ME and out of the internal affairs of their countries! I would say yes. Like Ron Paul.

Who is they? Do you feel that attack in Nairobi was the result of politics in the Middle East? Have they issued a statement to that effect?
 
It's a good thing you have access to what's going on in the terrorists minds. Are you listening to their Imams? Perhaps you should share your knowledge with the intelligence agencies.

I do!
 
Who is they? Do you feel that attack in Nairobi was the result of politics in the Middle East? Have they issued a statement to that effect?

They have issued a statement to the effect that it was retaliation for a US backed invasion of Somalia in 2011.
 
Saddam Hussein didn't allow the fighting between Shi'ites and Sunnis in Iraq, the US unleashed that.

So Iraq, run by a Sunni didn't fight a long war with Iran, run by a Shia? Not that Saddam actually gave a damn about his religion other than to use to garner support sometimes, sure didn't practice it in accordance with his supposed beliefs.

P.S. You still didn't answer what you have said has to do with the killing of the people in the Church in Pakistan.
 
So Saddam Hussein set a good example to the rest of the Muslim world, huh?

Iraq was the most secular ME country in the ME until the US radicalised it.
 
working with the Taliban to run Russia out of the region

Not even bothering with the rest of it, this is The Stupidity That Just Won't Die.

The Taliban didn't even exist until 1994, and no, the groups we backed in Afghanistan did not become it. Mullah Omar sat his ass in Pakistan for the whole thing.
 
Iraq was the most secular ME country in the ME until the US radicalised it.

LOL!! The US radicalized the secular Saddam Hussein, whose final words were Allah Akbar!! Maybe you should start using links with your posts so we might see what facts you think you are using.
 
They have issued a statement to the effect that it was retaliation for a US backed invasion of Somalia in 2011.

This is one of those moments when a link would be handy. I suppose it makes sense to you that Muslims would murder Kenyans in Nairobi because of an American blockade in Somalia, right?

Where are you really from? You can admit it.
 
So Iraq, run by a Sunni didn't fight a long war with Iran, run by a Shia? Not that Saddam actually gave a damn about his religion other than to use to garner support sometimes, sure didn't practice it in accordance with his supposed beliefs.

P.S. You still didn't answer what you have said has to do with the killing of the people in the Church in Pakistan.

That was instigated by the US and the US worked it from both sides to advance "US interests" in the region.
 
This is one of those moments when a link would be handy. I suppose it makes sense to you that Muslims would murder Kenyans in Nairobi because of an American blockade in Somalia, right?

Where are you really from? You can admit it.

What do you mean link. Read the op, click the link, read the whole article and then start drivelling, in that order.
 
What do you mean link. Read the op, click the link, read the whole article and then start drivelling, in that order.

They claimed this latest slaughter was the result of Obamadrones, but of course they have been murdering Christians well before the drone campaign began. They also murder little girls on their way to school or send them into burning buildings, among countless other atrocities against people everywhere.. Sometimes they give and excuse, sometimes they don't. But you appear to buy whatever they say.
 
They claimed this latest slaughter was the result of Obamadrones, but of course they have been murdering Christians well before the drone campaign began. They also murder little girls on their way to school or send them into burning buildings, among countless other atrocities against people everywhere.. Sometimes they give and excuse, sometimes they don't. But you appear to buy whatever they say.

THIS, attack they blamed on a US backed Kenyan invasion into Somalia which you denied. I didn't speak to all the other attacks/killings that you spoke of. They also said, that was just a drill, the big event is yet to come. That's scary ****.
 
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