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    Re: Why suicide rates among veterans may be more than 22 a day

    This is not just a VA thing. This is an ugly thing that America does not want to look at. This is an ugly thing that administrations r or d do not want Americans to look at. FOX and CNN should show the faces and the names daily on the evening news of each one of the fallen. It alone would have an impact on US meddling foreign policy.

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    Re: Why suicide rates among veterans may be more than 22 a day

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    The govt. does not represent the people. PROOF: the majority disagree with most of what the govt. does.
    Apparently not because people, by and large, keep electing the same people in every election. These politicians aren't getting recalled. You can't have people who hate the government putting the exact same people back in power again and again and have it make any sense.

    They can't, not without $ or the means to extort pols. If they could, they would've certainly done so by now.
    They can, they have a chance every time they go to the polls. Apparently, people aren't as unhappy as you seem to think. In reality, it's *YOU* that's unhappy. You don't matter. Only a collective agreement among the majority of voters matters.
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    Re: Why suicide rates among veterans may be more than 22 a day

    Quote Originally Posted by The Cat View Post
    This literally makes me want to cry, anybody who says the VA hasn't failed these men & woman is completely delusional. The government can't manage this, how can then be expected manage the entirety of the American people........
    I agree with your sentiments, but I don't blame the VA, I blame the war criminals in office, both administrations, who brought us this cruel fraud and who continue it, mouthing platitudes about "support the troops" even as they continue the fraud.

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    Re: Why suicide rates among veterans may be more than 22 a day

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    VA needs to do more. A LOT MORE. Example: I have a friend who did a tour in Iraq and two in Afghanistan. He rotated back here two years ago. He had his entire clavicle blown away by a muslim sniper. He came home with a purple heart, bronze medal, and some other commendations for his heroism. Now he can't find a job, has nowhere to live, and is living in a day-by-day motel or on the street every night. When he had a car, he lived in it; but the car was repo'ed. VA and Uncle Sam should give this guy a house or apartment and enough money to live. If he was black I am sure he would be eligible for section-8 and welfare. But since he was "merely" a White hero protecting our way of life; he gets jack sh*t.
    It's stories like this that break my heart, and there are thousands of them. I'm furious at the government for throwing medals at our wounded warriors as they kick them down the VA steps.

    I'm willing to bet that as more and more young people experience the disillusionment of veterans, and see first-hand how our government really treats them when they cease to be useful, our "all volunteer" military will dwindle to a mere shadow of itself until someone in high places wakes the hell up, realizes that being in government is MORE than just destroying the other party while gaining power for their own, and understand that every single person in government has the absolute DUTY to work for the good of the nation instead of working for the good of themselves.

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    Re: Why suicide rates among veterans may be more than 22 a day

    Quote Originally Posted by The Cat View Post
    This literally makes me want to cry, anybody who says the VA hasn't failed these men & woman is completely delusional. The government can't manage this, how can then be expected manage the entirety of the American people........
    Society has failed these young men and women. We have lowered the standards we expect of our young growing up. We have tried to remove as much competitive games in young children as possible and even lowered the standards for entry into the military. Young fragile minds are growing into adult fragile minds with inability to cope with disappointment and obstacles. We have literally brought this on ourselves.

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    Re: Why suicide rates among veterans may be more than 22 a day

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    It's stories like this that break my heart, and there are thousands of them. I'm furious at the government for throwing medals at our wounded warriors as they kick them down the VA steps.

    I'm willing to bet that as more and more young people experience the disillusionment of veterans, and see first-hand how our government really treats them when they cease to be useful, our "all volunteer" military will dwindle to a mere shadow of itself until someone in high places wakes the hell up, realizes that being in government is MORE than just destroying the other party while gaining power for their own, and understand that every single person in government has the absolute DUTY to work for the good of the nation instead of working for the good of themselves.
    Rather than criticising this post as American bashing and you as anti American, I accept that you are acknowledging grossly failing US policy and wishing for improvement.

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    Re: Why suicide rates among veterans may be more than 22 a day

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Society has failed these young men and women. We have lowered the standards we expect of our young growing up. We have tried to remove as much competitive games in young children as possible and even lowered the standards for entry into the military. Young fragile minds are growing into adult fragile minds with inability to cope with disappointment and obstacles. We have literally brought this on ourselves.
    I agree with you entirely. I've argued before against the people who want to protect everyone against any form of bullying and keeping kids from taking any responsibility for themselves, that just produces adult wimps who cannot deal with the hardships of adult life. We are absolutely harming our own children and the military airing commercials about adventure and honor and all that, but conveniently not mentioning that you're going to get shot at and perhaps killed, is just making military life look romantic, it doesn't present a realistic view, especially in recent years when idiots in the White House have put us into numerous armed conflicts.

    What happens is the fault of all of us and it starts long before these poor men and women join the military.
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    Re: Why suicide rates among veterans may be more than 22 a day

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    It's stories like this that break my heart, and there are thousands of them. I'm furious at the government for throwing medals at our wounded warriors as they kick them down the VA steps.
    How much are those medals worth? They could sell them on eBay in exchange for money to pay their health care expenses.

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    Re: Why suicide rates among veterans may be more than 22 a day

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Society has failed these young men and women.
    Society has not failed them. Those young men and women failed themselves by making a decision to throw away their lives for the govt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    We have lowered the standards we expect of our young growing up. We have tried to remove as much competitive games in young children as possible and even lowered the standards for entry into the military.
    Actually, the military officially has some standards. In reality, it has none.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Young fragile minds are growing into adult fragile minds with inability to cope with disappointment and obstacles. We have literally brought this on ourselves.
    Who's we? ? I had no part in this. If I screw up, I accept the responsibility for my own mistakes. Those who naively joined the Armed Forces are no different. After all, look at the first sin. . .

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    You do something dumb, you must pay the price for it. But, in the long run, it's not bad--those who made the misguided decision to enlist will hopefully pass on their wisdom to future generations, about how now to get suckered in by cheap gummint propoganda, i. e. the notion that US soldiers "serve their country."

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    Re: Why suicide rates among veterans may be more than 22 a day

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Apparently not because people, by and large, keep electing the same people in every election. These politicians aren't getting recalled. You can't have people who hate the government putting the exact same people back in power again and again and have it make any sense.
    The reason why the govt. doesn't represent the people is irrelevant. The only relevant fact in determining whether the govt. equates to the will of the people is whether it does.

    So if it doesn't, then the govt. and people are separate.

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