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    Re: Why suicide rates among veterans may be more than 22 a day

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Veteran suicide rates alone do not necessarily tell us that VA care has failed. Maybe other details (such as observing that there are veterans seeking help and not getting it) demonstrate a failure, but we can't just notice a high suicide rate and then go on auto-blame mode against someone for not somehow preventing those suicides.

    I think there is a mix of both here, i.e. some instances of VA care being deficient and people committing suicide while on long wait lists for help, but also I think that even with the most utopian scenario of a comprehensive array of instantaneously available world-class mental health care... we'd still see high suicide rates among veterans.

    So my opinion is that yes we should be alert for possible shortcomings of VA care and think critically about how to beef it up if needed, as well as to be more vocal (both liberals and conservatives) about non-defensive military interventions in oil-rich nations.

    But I also think we should be cautious not to be idiots about tossing around blame for people killing themselves.
    Good post. I know personally I'm so horrified and sickened by the number of our vets committing suicide that I just can't help believing that we... citizens and government alike... have somehow let them down. Honestly, I feel personally guilty, as irrational as that may seem.

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    Re: Why suicide rates among veterans may be more than 22 a day

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I didn't bring politics into the discussion.

    BTW: Why are libs always so concerned with vets but very few have ever served ?

    Why don't libs support those while they are serving in uniform instead of proclaiming they support them after they stopped wearing the uniform ?

    Which brings into play that while serving in the military there was little day to day contact with libs but after their tour of duty the day to day contact with libs in the civilian world is enough to drive someone to substance abuse, chronic unemployment, homelessness and eventually suicide.

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    Re: Why suicide rates among veterans may be more than 22 a day

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You most certainly did.
    You leave me no choice but to bust your little bubble. Go to post #1. The OP brought politics into this topic with his asinine comment >"THIS IS FAILURE ON A CATASTROPHIC LEVEL, but something the hawks care to ignore."<

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    Re: Why suicide rates among veterans may be more than 22 a day

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    You leave me no choice but to bust your little bubble. Go to post #1. The OP brought politics into this topic with his asinine comment >"THIS IS FAILURE ON A CATASTROPHIC LEVEL, but something the hawks care to ignore."<
    "Hawks" is not a political ideology.
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    Re: Why suicide rates among veterans may be more than 22 a day

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Only right wingers serve in the military.
    You're making a statement not asking a question.

    But the majority serving in the military since the end of the draft do identify themselves as being conservative.

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    Re: Why suicide rates among veterans may be more than 22 a day

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Only right wingers serve in the military.
    Not true.
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    Re: Why suicide rates among veterans may be more than 22 a day

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Yeah, it's Democrats who try to cut funding for veterans.

    GOP Congressman Calls for Massive Cuts in Veterans Funding | Veterans Today
    Did you, or for that matter, the person who retitled the article actually read it?

    "As defined by GOP leaders, non-security spending includes all discretionary spending not for defense, homeland security, veterans and military construction."

    That is the only reference to "veterans" in the whole article and clearly denotes that veterans are exempted from cuts to non-security spending and discretionary spending. No where did I see a single thing that said that veterans would suffer cuts, other than the title at the top.
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    Re: Why suicide rates among veterans may be more than 22 a day

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Not true.

    No dude, I know its not true, sorry to have forgotten the ?

    Apache made the comment, I was seeking clarification.

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    Re: Why suicide rates among veterans may be more than 22 a day

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    "Hawks" is not a political ideology.
    Right, they exist in various ideologies.

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    Re: Why suicide rates among veterans may be more than 22 a day

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No dude, I know its not true, sorry to have forgotten the ?

    Apache made the comment, I was seeking clarification.
    Ah. My bust.
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