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2 Islamic militants dead, more hostages freed in Nairobi mall terror attack

Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

I'm not suggesting we turn the place into a parking lot. I'm suggesting that we demonstrate forbearance, and not get too involved in their internal affairs. I have no interest in the sectarian strife there. When their violence spills into my country, however, I will take the gloves off. These people understand defeat. Anything less is considered weakness. Whatever is required for the agressors to understand that we will not tolerate their agression and that they will suffer gravely as a result I would endorse in that instance. I have no interest in killing innocents, but if innocents are to be sacrificed, it's going to be theirs, and not ours. I do believe that the use of the military is a fundamental failure, but I will never rule it's use out, and I will encourage our adversaries to understand that it's always available and generally devastating. I'm not into nation building. We built ours. They can build theirs after their own fashion.

Ok, we're not very far apart and I did say that in this particular conflict military action should be surgical and not devastating. And responding to people on our soil attacking us here at home, yes, I agree, then its gloves off.
 
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Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

Yes, you'd man up to guys that are capable of chopping your head off or pulling your heart out and eating it. MILES COPELAND.
Heh. I can't speak for others, but I'm quite capable of chopping someone's head off. In all honesty, I hold animals in much higher regard than the humans who routinely practice such things, and I kill such animals from time to time. I'm really not into eating human hearts, or anything else in that realm of insanity. For most people, the level of violence of which they are capable depends largely on the stimulus. When confronted with unvarnished evil, all manner of things can be considered to eliminate that evil.
 
Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

The Tsarneav brothers were Chechnyan. What affairs were we involved in re:Chechnya? None.

Islamists will use any pre-text to fight. I wonder when the world will stop doing all this hand wringing and recognize that the religion of peace always has conflicts with it's neighbors. Sri Lanka, the Phillipines, Sudan, Indonesia. Those are not nations with interventionist policies and yet continue to have radical Islam trying to take over certain parts of the country.

And the US will use any pretext to fight. The Nueces versus Rio Grande, the US'S Maine, the Lusitania, Pearl Harbour, the gulf of Tonkin, the Iraqi/Kuwait invasion, 9/11, the 'Arab Spring'
 
Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

Heh. I can't speak for others, but I'm quite capable of chopping someone's head off. In all honesty, I hold animals in much higher regard than the humans who routinely practice such things, and I kill such animals from time to time. I'm really not into eating human hearts, or anything else in that realm of insanity. For most people, the level of violence of which they are capable depends largely on the stimulus. When confronted with unvarnished evil, all manner of things can be considered to eliminate that evil.

Perhaps so.
 
Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

Perhaps so.
That's my personal experience, and I'm not an intimidating man. I'm a very easy going person - laid back, as they used to say.
 
Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

I just can't go there with you humbolt. This is not a problem for the military. These people are pissed at America because of our interference in their internal issues, YOU would eventually tire of someone doing the same to you. These people mingle through out their societies, they work, eat and sleep amongst them. The 'devastating' attacks you advocate will be indiscriminate and cause the innocent to suffer. Any attacks at all must in fact be pin pricks, surgical and precise. The 'turn the place into a parking lot' is as crazy as what the radicals want to do.

"Pin pricks" don't always work out well, and can backfire disastrously. Like the attack on Fort Sumter in 1861. Or the attack on the battleship Maine in Havana harbor in 1898. Or the brief and "unimaginably small" attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941. Or the "surgical and precise" attacks on New York and D.C. in 2001. None of these served the purpose of warning us off and encouraging us to mind our own business; in each case, the loss was catastrophic for the attacker. It is much more effective to turn the source of the offense into a glowing glass parking lot, since that is far more likely to get the attention of those who reject reality in favor of their own fantasies.
 
Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

Not all of the extremists committing these acts of terror are working for Allah. There are people in it for a host of different reasons. Money (Mercs) is even one. We had Americans, a Canadian, a Brit, and an attacker from Finland involved in the Kenyan attack. But the larger conflict is between Christian and Muslim nations. And so far, the Christian nations have killed more of them than the other way around.

I think you could make a good argument that none of the extremists are working for Allah (or at least the peaceful version of Allah). And while the civilized world may "have killed more of them than the other way around" it is clear that we have not yet killed nearly enough of them.
 
Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

Some of those 1.6B muslims can take up some arms and do a sweep of the building to show good will and support for the victims.
But, they wont. They will talk about how horrible it is, then laugh under their breath.

Sad but true. And they will probably never understand that their attitude will eliminate them and all their progeny from the global gene pool.
 
Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

Christians aren't doing that, but then I don't believe I ever said they were.

As Christians ought to clean their own house of radicals

I was just asking where the examples were, if any, of Christian "radicals" doing what Muslims are doing around the world

Thanks for clarifying
 
That's a good observation. The radical Muslims and the German Nazis share much, and there are many who note the correlations and similarities going all the way back to well before WWII, including joining in common cause during that war.

Yea - self centered and unjustified hatred of everyone else.
 
Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

"Pin pricks" don't always work out well, and can backfire disastrously. Like the attack on Fort Sumter in 1861. Or the attack on the battleship Maine in Havana harbor in 1898. Or the brief and "unimaginably small" attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941. Or the "surgical and precise" attacks on New York and D.C. in 2001. None of these served the purpose of warning us off and encouraging us to mind our own business; in each case, the loss was catastrophic for the attacker. It is much more effective to turn the source of the offense into a glowing glass parking lot, since that is far more likely to get the attention of those who reject reality in favor of their own fantasies.

I really have little to say to the "sea of glass/parking lot" kind of guys.
 
Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

I was just asking where the examples were, if any, of Christian "radicals" doing what Muslims are doing around the world

Thanks for clarifying

There are radicals in the Christian ranks that have attacked non Christian church's, blow up abortion clinics and shoot abortion doctors. They lead people into situations like Georgetown and Waco, the Christian community has radicals and some house cleaning to do themselves, now its clarified!
 
Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

I think you could make a good argument that none of the extremists are working for Allah (or at least the peaceful version of Allah). And while the civilized world may "have killed more of them than the other way around" it is clear that we have not yet killed nearly enough of them.

I agree that the extremists are not working for the peaceful version of Allah as the Christian extremists that blow up abortion clinics are not working for the peaceful version of Jesus.
 
Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

They don't. But they do have people running around doing all manner of things in their name. If I were Muslim, I'd take offense at my religion being so denigrated and do something about it. The longer they remain intransigent over it, the wider the brush that paints them.

I guess people don't pay attention to the Islamists who ARE intransigent.
 
Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

I agree that the extremists are not working for the peaceful version of Allah as the Christian extremists that blow up abortion clinics are not working for the peaceful version of Jesus.

How many abortionists have been killed by Christians versus the number of people killed by Islamic terrorists? Any idea? The law has also got involved.

Christians have condemned the killing of any abortionists. What more do you expect them to do?
 
Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

1.6 billion Muslims ought not be condemned over the actions of a few hundred thousand zealots.

You misspelled the word million.
 
Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

There are radicals in the Christian ranks that have attacked non Christian church's, blow up abortion clinics and shoot abortion doctors. They lead people into situations like Georgetown and Waco, the Christian community has radicals and some house cleaning to do themselves, now its clarified!
And what does the mainstream of America do in response?
 
Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

How many abortionists have been killed by Christians versus the number of people killed by Islamic terrorists? Any idea? The law has also got involved.

Christians have condemned the killing of any abortionists. What more do you expect them to do?

I don't expect christians to do anymore than that. But I'm not the one advocating that Muslims do anymore than that with radicals in their midst.
 
Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

And what does the mainstream of America do in response?

About the same thing that they think mainstream Muslims should do about their radicals.
 
Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

I guess people don't pay attention to the Islamists who ARE intransigent.
Aunt, I was referring to the everyday Muslims who refuse to take action against the Islamists in their midst. They themselves are the most numerous victims of these thugs.
 
Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

Aunt, I was referring to the everyday Muslims who refuse to take action against the Islamists in their midst. They themselves are the most numerous victims of these thugs.

'Moderate', Muslims are probably frightened by the killers in their midst and keep silent for that reason..
 
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