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    Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not all of the extremists committing these acts of terror are working for Allah. There are people in it for a host of different reasons. Money (Mercs) is even one. We had Americans, a Canadian, a Brit, and an attacker from Finland involved in the Kenyan attack. But the larger conflict is between Christian and Muslim nations. And so far, the Christian nations have killed more of them than the other way around.
    You're not answering the question and making broad, blanket and ambiguous statements

    Show me where Christians are running blowing themselves up. Show me where Christians are taking hostages and running around malls, asking the name of Jesus' mother, and blowing you away when you don't know the answer

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    Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I just can't go there with you humbolt. This is not a problem for the military. These people are pissed at America because of our interference in their internal issues, YOU would eventually tire of someone doing the same to you. These people mingle through out their societies, they work, eat and sleep amongst them. The 'devastating' attacks you advocate will be indiscriminate and cause the innocent to suffer. Any attacks at all must in fact be pin pricks, surgical and precise. The 'turn the place into a parking lot' is as crazy as what the radicals want to do.
    The Tsarneav brothers were Chechnyan. What affairs were we involved in re:Chechnya? None.

    Islamists will use any pre-text to fight. I wonder when the world will stop doing all this hand wringing and recognize that the religion of peace always has conflicts with it's neighbors. Sri Lanka, the Phillipines, Sudan, Indonesia. Those are not nations with interventionist policies and yet continue to have radical Islam trying to take over certain parts of the country.

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    Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I just can't go there with you humbolt. This is not a problem for the military. These people are pissed at America because of our interference in their internal issues, YOU would eventually tire of someone doing the same to you. These people mingle through out their societies, they work, eat and sleep amongst them. The 'devastating' attacks you advocate will be indiscriminate and cause the innocent to suffer. Any attacks at all must in fact be pin pricks, surgical and precise. The 'turn the place into a parking lot' is as crazy as what the radicals want to do.
    I'm not suggesting we turn the place into a parking lot. I'm suggesting that we demonstrate forbearance, and not get too involved in their internal affairs. I have no interest in the sectarian strife there. When their violence spills into my country, however, I will take the gloves off. These people understand defeat. Anything less is considered weakness. Whatever is required for the agressors to understand that we will not tolerate their agression and that they will suffer gravely as a result I would endorse in that instance. I have no interest in killing innocents, but if innocents are to be sacrificed, it's going to be theirs, and not ours. I do believe that the use of the military is a fundamental failure, but I will never rule it's use out, and I will encourage our adversaries to understand that it's always available and generally devastating. I'm not into nation building. We built ours. They can build theirs after their own fashion.

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    Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    You're not answering the question and making broad, blanket and ambiguous statements

    Show me where Christians are running blowing themselves up. Show me where Christians are taking hostages and running around malls, asking the name of Jesus' mother, and blowing you away when you don't know the answer
    Christians aren't doing that, but then I don't believe I ever said they were.

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    Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    No, but 1.6 billion Muslims ought to clean their own house. They've pretty clearly stated they don't want us to do it, so it's an open invitation for that 1.6 billion to do the job.
    Some of those 1.6B muslims can take up some arms and do a sweep of the building to show good will and support for the victims.
    But, they wont. They will talk about how horrible it is, then laugh under their breath.

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    Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I'm not suggesting we turn the place into a parking lot. I'm suggesting that we demonstrate forbearance, and not get too involved in their internal affairs. I have no interest in the sectarian strife there. When their violence spills into my country, however, I will take the gloves off. These people understand defeat. Anything less is considered weakness. Whatever is required for the agressors to understand that we will not tolerate their agression and that they will suffer gravely as a result I would endorse in that instance. I have no interest in killing innocents, but if innocents are to be sacrificed, it's going to be theirs, and not ours. I do believe that the use of the military is a fundamental failure, but I will never rule it's use out, and I will encourage our adversaries to understand that it's always available and generally devastating. I'm not into nation building. We built ours. They can build theirs after their own fashion.
    Ok, we're not very far apart and I did say that in this particular conflict military action should be surgical and not devastating. And responding to people on our soil attacking us here at home, yes, I agree, then its gloves off.

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    Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, you'd man up to guys that are capable of chopping your head off or pulling your heart out and eating it. MILES COPELAND.
    Heh. I can't speak for others, but I'm quite capable of chopping someone's head off. In all honesty, I hold animals in much higher regard than the humans who routinely practice such things, and I kill such animals from time to time. I'm really not into eating human hearts, or anything else in that realm of insanity. For most people, the level of violence of which they are capable depends largely on the stimulus. When confronted with unvarnished evil, all manner of things can be considered to eliminate that evil.

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    Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    The Tsarneav brothers were Chechnyan. What affairs were we involved in re:Chechnya? None.

    Islamists will use any pre-text to fight. I wonder when the world will stop doing all this hand wringing and recognize that the religion of peace always has conflicts with it's neighbors. Sri Lanka, the Phillipines, Sudan, Indonesia. Those are not nations with interventionist policies and yet continue to have radical Islam trying to take over certain parts of the country.
    And the US will use any pretext to fight. The Nueces versus Rio Grande, the US'S Maine, the Lusitania, Pearl Harbour, the gulf of Tonkin, the Iraqi/Kuwait invasion, 9/11, the 'Arab Spring'

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    Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Heh. I can't speak for others, but I'm quite capable of chopping someone's head off. In all honesty, I hold animals in much higher regard than the humans who routinely practice such things, and I kill such animals from time to time. I'm really not into eating human hearts, or anything else in that realm of insanity. For most people, the level of violence of which they are capable depends largely on the stimulus. When confronted with unvarnished evil, all manner of things can be considered to eliminate that evil.
    Perhaps so.

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