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    Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Oh, please. There have been plenty of instances of non-Islamic terrorism, even today: Hindu extremism in India and Kashmir, Christian fundamentalism in Africa (like Kony's LRA), Jewish terrorist groups in Mandatory Palestine. It might be interesting to note that in the Bosnian War the only faction that didn't participate in ethnic cleansing was the Bosnian Muslim faction.
    Maybe some perspective is needed. Islamic terrorists are murdering more people than any other group in the world.

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    Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Maybe some perspective is needed. Islamic terrorists are murdering more people than any other group in the world.

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    Really, now?

    Bosnia: 33,071 deaths in Bosnia as a result of war by Catholic Croatians and Orthodox Serbs - 8,489 deaths considered to be genocide internationally.

    Kosovo: as many as 10,533 ethnic Albanians killed by Orthodox Serbs

    Rwanda: over 500,000 killed; the genocidaires were backed by the Catholic Church

    Uganda: 65,000 killed by the Christian LRA
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    Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Really, now?

    Bosnia: 33,071 deaths in Bosnia as a result of war by Catholic Croatians and Orthodox Serbs - 8,489 deaths considered to be genocide internationally.

    Kosovo: as many as 10,533 ethnic Albanians killed by Orthodox Serbs

    Rwanda: over 500,000 killed; the genocidaires were backed by the Catholic Church

    Uganda: 65,000 killed by the Christian LRA
    Do you have supporting documentation?

    I'd be really interested to learn, for example, of the genocide in Rwanda being backed by the Catholic Church.

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    Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you have supporting documentation?
    I found it on Wikipedia, but each stat had an inline citation to support it. The Kosovo number is a max and the Rwanda number is a HRW claim.

    Why should I automatically believe your link?
    I'd be really interested to learn, for example, of the genocide in Rwanda being backed by the Catholic Church.
    For any practising Catholic in Rwanda, this letter must be unbearable. For it tells you how little you mean to the Vatican. Fifteen years ago, tens of thousands of Catholics were hacked to death inside churches. Sometimes priests and nuns led the slaughter. Sometimes they did nothing while it progressed. The incidents were not isolated. Nyamata, Ntarama, Nyarubuye, Cyahinda, Nyange, and Saint Famille were just a few of the churches that were sites of massacres.

    To you, Catholic survivor of genocide in Rwanda, the Vatican says that those priests, those bishops, those nuns, those archbishops who planned and killed were not acting under the instruction of the church. But moral responsibility changes dramatically if you are a European or US Catholic. To the priests of the Irish church who abused children, the pope has this to say: "You must answer for it before almighty God and before properly constituted tribunals. You have forfeited the esteem of the people of Ireland and brought shame and dishonour upon your confreres."

    The losses of Rwanda had received no such consideration. Some of the nuns and priests who have been convicted by Belgian courts and the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, respectively, enjoyed refuge in Catholic churches in Europe while on the run from prosecutors. One such is Father Athanase Seromba, who led the Nyange parish massacre and was sentenced to 15 years in jail by the tribunal. In April 1994, Seromba helped lure over 2,000 desperate men, women and children to his church, where they expected safety. But their shepherd turned out to be their hunter.

    One evening Seromba entered the church and carried away the chalices of communion and other clerical vestments. When a refugee begged that they be left the Eucharist to enable them to at least hold a (final) mass, the priest refused and told them that the building was no longer a church. A witness at the ICTR trial remembered an exchange in which the priest's mindset was revealed.
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    If I'm not mistaken, Catholic radio waves in Rwanda were used to promote "Hutu power."
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    Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

    [QUOTE=MadLib;1062359054]Really, now?

    Bosnia: 33,071 deaths in Bosnia as a result of war by Catholic Croatians and Orthodox Serbs - 8,489 deaths considered to be genocide internationally.
    Were these Catholic Croatians fighting under the banner of the Catholic Church or did some of them just happen to be Catholic?

    Kosovo: as many as 10,533 ethnic Albanians killed by Orthodox Serbs.
    Do you have a link to this?

    Rwanda: over 500,000 killed; the genocidaires were backed by the Catholic Church.
    Hardly backed by the Catholic Church. Ex-priest jailed for Rwanda genocide - World news - Africa | NBC News

    Uganda: 65,000 killed by the Christian LRA
    Here's the skinny on the Lord's Resistance Army, and not killed by Christians as you claim Lord's Resistance Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: The religion of peace takes responsibility for the dozens slain in Nairobi.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And the US will use any pretext to fight. The Nueces versus Rio Grande, the US'S Maine, the Lusitania, Pearl Harbour, the gulf of Tonkin, the Iraqi/Kuwait invasion, 9/11, the 'Arab Spring'
    Pearl Harbor? The Iraqi/Kuwait invasion? Look I'm right there with you with America getting in other people's faces but Pearl Harbor was a matter of self-defense and Kuwait was an American ally and we had a treaty to defend Kuwait.

    Pearl Harbor was nothing even close to a Muslim nation declaring "you drew a cartoon of Mohammed with a bomb on his head, therefore we are going to war!"

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