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    Re: NATO: 3 U.S. Troops Killed in Afghan Insider Attack

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    Totally agree. Nation building (or maybe I should say re-building) only works if there is something to repair (e.g. Japan and Germany in the wake of WW2). You can't build a society of un-nationalized goat herders and farmers into a modern state all the while fighting an insurgency.
    You can't do it under any circumstances. Once the nation-building stuff starts creeping into the rhetoric, the mission is screwed.

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    Re: NATO: 3 U.S. Troops Killed in Afghan Insider Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    You can't do it under any circumstances. Once the nation-building stuff starts creeping into the rhetoric, the mission is screwed.
    Unless it is the mission as in the reconstruction of Germany and Japan after WW2. I suppose you're right about the rhetoric though.

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    Re: NATO: 3 U.S. Troops Killed in Afghan Insider Attack

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    Unless it is the mission as in the reconstruction of Germany and Japan after WW2. I suppose you're right about the rhetoric though.
    I guess I left the there part out of my post. Afghanistan simply has nothing going for it that could support a proper nation-state. It is just the left-over parts nobody else in the region really wants.

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    Re: NATO: 3 U.S. Troops Killed in Afghan Insider Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Totally agree. Nation building (or maybe I should say re-building) only works if there is something to repair (e.g. Japan and Germany in the wake of WW2). You can't build a society of un-nationalized goat herders and farmers into a modern state all the while fighting an insurgency.
    Absolutely. In Germany and Japan they totally depended on us to avoid starvation. In Afghanistan, not so much. However it did enjoy a degree of modernity before the Soviet Invasion and Civil War, so it might have been possible to have directed parts of the country back that way.

    I had initially supported invasion in 2001 out of retribution for 9/11 and because the Taliban are a**holes. I supported Obama's surge there in part because bin Laden was still missing and the job didn't seem done. Now that he's dead and al Qaeda has splintered and found other refuges in the world, it seems that we're past the point of diminishing returns in Afghanistan.
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