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    Re: Quinn: Id Consider Using National Guard, State Police To Help Chicago

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Right, because we know what happens when the camel gets his nose under the rug. This should find NO support.
    Exactly.

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    Re: Quinn: Id Consider Using National Guard, State Police To Help Chicago

    Just as in the Middle East, the government would demand Rules of Engagement so that the National Guard could not win, only die trying.

    Snipers from the nearby ghetto used to try to pick off the guards at the Hunter's Point Naval Shipyard in California. Political Correctness demands that this not be noticed.

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    Re: Quinn: Id Consider Using National Guard, State Police To Help Chicago

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I'm concerned with the blatant undermining of the Posse Comitatus. You don't use the Army, which is what the NG has turned into, for civilian policing. This is not the precedence you want to set.
    It's already been set during crises and emergencies. It's up to the governor and mayor to determine if the crisis in south Chicago qualifies.

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    Re: Quinn: Id Consider Using National Guard, State Police To Help Chicago

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, lets get carried away with it here so they don't get carried away with it out there.
    Well, I guess we just have a good ole fashioned disagreement here. We probably both agree that the state police would be preferable, but disagree whether it is proper to use NG to help. You think it doesn't because IMO you have a very rigid interpretation of the limitation of military and civilian relationships though there is plenty of precedent to refer to indicating otherwise whether you personally agree or not.

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    Re: Quinn: Id Consider Using National Guard, State Police To Help Chicago

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Well, I guess we just have a good ole fashioned disagreement here. We probably both agree that the state police would be preferable, but disagree whether it is proper to use NG to help. You think it doesn't because IMO you have a very rigid interpretation of the limitation of military and civilian relationships though there is plenty of precedent to refer to indicating otherwise whether you personally agree or not.

    Sure I agree with you on that. And I think all precedents contrary to law/constitution on this and every other subject applicable should be reversed. Having done things wrong before should not excuse doing them wrong again/still.

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    Re: Quinn: Id Consider Using National Guard, State Police To Help Chicago

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    It's already been set during crises and emergencies. It's up to the governor and mayor to determine if the crisis in south Chicago qualifies.
    The parameters of there mission would be significantly different. Also, because they've been used before in a certain capacity does not translate into an automatic acceptance for the expanding of their usage.

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    Re: Quinn: Id Consider Using National Guard, State Police To Help Chicago

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    The rise of the Police State begins...

    Is this guy a complete moron?

    You send IL National Guard to places like Iraq and Afghanistan and then you want to put them in an American city???? Are you out of your rabid ass mind?!?!?!?!?
    It sounds to me like he's essentially just too chicken**** to address the real and serious problems on the streets of Chicago. We, as a society, created this phenomenon with our social policies, but we collectively refuse to deal with the result, or stop the causative factors, because we can't stand to take a hard stance against the cultural problems in the inner city areas of the country. Because of that, we will continue to see rampant crime rates, cop-free zones, where even law enforcement is afraid to go, and the deep divisions in this country, between right and left, will continue on.
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    Re: Quinn: Id Consider Using National Guard, State Police To Help Chicago

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    The parameters of there mission would be significantly different. Also, because they've been used before in a certain capacity does not translate into an automatic acceptance for the expanding of their usage.
    What do you think the parameters of their mission would be?

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    Re: Quinn: Id Consider Using National Guard, State Police To Help Chicago

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    It's already been set during crises and emergencies. It's up to the governor and mayor to determine if the crisis in south Chicago qualifies.
    If the Gov. brings in outside forces to control the situation, he will have to admit his plice forc failed.

    Is he willing to do that?

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    Re: Quinn: Id Consider Using National Guard, State Police To Help Chicago

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    What do you think the parameters of their mission would be?
    Not the same as they are in a foreign country dealing with foreign hostiles. This will be a complete cluster cluck of a cockadoodle doo..

    Daley wiped out Gangster City a few decades ago, didn't need the NG for that, did he? I'm telling you something nefarious is in the works, and no this isn't a conspiracy theory.

    No further evidence is needed to keep the NG from this type of action than the Kent State Massacre. (notice the period at the end of that sentence.)

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