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    Re: Senator John McCain: Russians deserve better than Putin - Pravada Article

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    McCain is absolutely correct about Putin, but its weird that he get's so many people's support here because not long ago people who criticized Russia were accused of being stuck in the Soviet Era and didn't know the Cold War is over.
    Just because you agree with McCain on Putin does not mean you agree that the world is still operating under a Cold War mentality. The biggest (real) threat to America is not Russia.
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    Re: Senator John McCain: Russians deserve better than Putin - Pravada Article

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    So you think that we should engage Syria with our military, side with the Free Syrian army which is backed by Islamists from the Muslim Brotherhood who are fighting side by side and sometimes with AlQaeda.
    If you were informed, there isn't a FSA. It's a bunch of loosely organized groups doing their own thing. Army implies command and control, which the Syrian rebels do not have. The secular groups are fighting both Assad AND Islamists. And we should be backing them. Stop with the idiotic monolithic belief that groups are homogenous. It's like you didn't learn the most basic lesson of the Cold War at all.

    Putin is the only reason we haven't bombed Syria by now, well than and the fact that Obama has no clue what he's doing. For me, I'm glad the Russians stopped our military involvement in Syria. We have no business there other than having some kind of dick comparing contest with yet another Middle Eastern country.
    So you believe a Hobbesian World order is better for the world then?
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    Re: Senator John McCain: Russians deserve better than Putin - Pravada Article

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Just because you agree with McCain on Putin does not mean you agree that the world is still operating under a Cold War mentality. The biggest (real) threat to America is not Russia.
    I don't think anyone ever claimed such. Well, except during the Cold War obviously.
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    Re: Senator John McCain: Russians deserve better than Putin - Pravada Article

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    I don't think anyone ever claimed such. Well, except during the Cold War obviously.
    I didn't claim you did, but the notion that there is a contradiction is wrong. Putin is a bad leader but that doesn't make Russia our biggest threat or that the Cold War is still going on. I see no logical problems with agreeing with McCain that Putin is bad for Russia while criticizing people who think that Russia is still our biggest threat as being wrong.
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    Re: Senator John McCain: Russians deserve better than Putin - Pravada Article

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Senator John McCain: Russians deserve better than Putin - English pravda.ru

    There's the John McCain we know and love. Where the heck have you been hiding?
    Err you do realize he is a ****ing joke and his people are idiots?

    Pravda.ru is a small blog site and not the old newspaper. The old newspaper was originally closed down by Yeltsin and reborn as the Communist party's 3 day a week newsletter with 100k circulation.

    So Putin got his article in one of the biggest news papers on the planet, and McCain on an online blog/newssite, most Russian dont even know exists.
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    Re: Senator John McCain: Russians deserve better than Putin - Pravada Article

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    It's amazing to me that they actually published something like this. Pravda is effectively a mouthpiece of the Kremlin.
    No it is not. You are living in the 1980s..
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    Re: Senator John McCain: Russians deserve better than Putin - Pravada Article

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Pravda is no such thing. It's really just a Russian blog.. with only about 100,000 circulation.
    Not exactly true. Pravda.ru has nothing what so ever to do with Pravda the newsletter with 100k circulation.

    This is Pravda's website

    http://www.gazeta-pravda.ru/
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    Re: Senator John McCain: Russians deserve better than Putin - Pravada Article

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    If you were informed, there isn't a FSA. It's a bunch of loosely organized groups doing their own thing. Army implies command and control, which the Syrian rebels do not have. The secular groups are fighting both Assad AND Islamists. And we should be backing them. Stop with the idiotic monolithic belief that groups are homogenous. It's like you didn't learn the most basic lesson of the Cold War at all.



    So you believe a Hobbesian World order is better for the world then?
    Obama isn't fighting the cold war and I'm not talking about it. Obama was going to use military force on Assad putting him on the side of the FSA, and contrary to what you say, one exists. McCain claims to have visited them. You are right that there are many groups in the fight. Some rebel groups fight against the FSA. It's a mess and for my money, we should step aside and let them duke it out. All Obama has done is stick his nose into something it didn't belong, demonstrate his weakness and give Russia and Assad the upper hand. It's a mess and we should avoid it all together.
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    Re: Senator John McCain: Russians deserve better than Putin - Pravada Article

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    And everything McCain said could be said about the US. If you are gonna throw stones make sure you don't live in a glass house as well.
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    Re: Senator John McCain: Russians deserve better than Putin - Pravada Article

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Who's the last journalist to be assassinated by the State? And the last musician to be jailed for dissent?
    Michael Hasting and wasn't that film maker of that horrible anti-muslim movie arrested and blamed for the riots in the ME?
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