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    Re: Pope Francis: Church can't 'interfere' with gays

    Quote Originally Posted by hfd View Post
    There are those in the secular world who disagree. For example.

    "...wherever detailed correspondence of biblical accounts and archeological facts can be established, then it usually turned out that the Bible is an accurate description of what went on."

    Clube, Victor & Napier, Bill - THE COSMIC SERPENT, (NY: Universe Books, 1982) p. 247
    The Cosmic Serpent? Seriously?

    The Cosmic Serpent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Investigating the connections between shamanism and molecular biology, Narby hypothesizes that shamans may be able to access information at the molecular level through the ingestion of entheogens, specifically ayahuasca.[1] Biophysicist Jacques Dubochet criticized Narby for not testing his hypothesis.[1] Narby and three molecular biologists revisited the Peruvian Amazon to try to test the hypothesis, and their work is featured in the documentary film, Night of the Liana.[2]
    You're citing a book about mysticism nonsense as a "secular" opinion on what the standards for what HISTORICALLY DOCUMENTED means? Please stop. You're not going to convince anybody with your complete head dive into the validity of LSD laced opinions on a conservation about academics.

    They are not speaking of 'supernatural' events but good old fashioned research.

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    Lol, I got a laugh out of the last part. Is that what you're supposed to be? The best part is that you're confusing a historical document with historically documented. The Bible is a historical document. So are the Qur'an and Torah. That does NOT make the accounts in them to be "historically documented".
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    Re: Pope Francis: Church can't 'interfere' with gays

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    What a stupid argument and stupid logic. Is it your personal belief that the Revolutionary war occurred? Yes? Mine too, but guess what, it is also a FACT!
    Are you serious?

    I don't believe the Revolutionary War occurred. I know it. It is a fact. No debate.

    I know the sun rose today. I believe it will rise tomorrow.

    There is no FACT that Adam and Eve existed. That is NOT a fact in any way, shape, or form.

    Your belief in Adam and Eve is no different than a child's belief in Santa Claus.

    A belief is not a fact.

    I don't believe Pearl Harbor happened. I don't believe that airplanes flew into the World Trade Center on 9/11.
    I know those to be facts.

    My dog sleeping next to me is a fact.

    Your belief in some god in heaven does not make god or heaven a fact.

    If you can't differentiate between fact and belief there's no sense having any sort of debate about any of this.

    So what is truly stupid and illogical is using phrases like "absolute fact" multiple times about things that are obviously little more than mythological in nature.

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    Re: Pope Francis: Church can't 'interfere' with gays

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    The difference is, my belief is fact.
    Your dishonest way of conflating the mysteries of Christianity with "fact" destroys the Christian witness. This is why authentic Christians need to ex communicate the fundies from the church. Like Paul said, don't even eat with these people.

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    Re: Pope Francis: Church can't 'interfere' with gays

    I have to agree with you. I think Luther was right in challenging a lot of things the church was doing, getting rich by selling indulgences, etc., but they can go further.

    I heard if the catholic church tried to cash out all their assets, there isn't enough money in circulation to pay them for it. That is insane.


    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I'm liking the direction Pope Francis is taking. Perhaps eventually he'll wrest some of the church's immense wealth away from the greedy hierarchy and return it to the people themselves, especially those living in poverty. Makes me sick to see popes, bishops, etc., draped in silk, velvet, gold and jewels while millions of devout Catholics around the world cannot even feed themselves.

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    Re: Pope Francis: Church can't 'interfere' with gays

    I don't think he said otherwise. He is saying he won't personally judge or condemn.

    And I don't think God cares what church you follow, or who is your religious leader. What matters is if you following the teachings of Jesus as a Christian.


    I heard about a Christian preacher through my cousin. It's her church. Anyway, he was in the hospital in South Africa, praying for people with HIV, and some guy was dying, and said, "he probably doesn't want to pray with me because I am homosexual and was infected by gay sex."

    Somebody told the preacher that that was his attitude, and he went up to him and said, "I love you in the name of the father in heaven and his son Jesus. Let us pray together for you."

    I probably have quotes off some, but that was mostly how it went. I was probably 13 when I heard that, always remembered it because of how unusual it seemed. I haven't heard anything like that since.

    But that is a message of love and compassion, and that is powerful. The pope portrays it also. Especially when he washed the feet of the poor and people in jail.


    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Some days I'm glad I'm not Catholic. It's absolutely important for Christians to be involved and vote on their beliefs. Regardless of what the Pope says, the Bible is God's word and if he begins suggesting that homosexual sex isn't sinful then he is nothing more than a false prophet that the Bible warns us about.

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    Re: Pope Francis: Church can't 'interfere' with gays

    But christianity is especially hard on homosexuality, all things considered. Sex before marriage, masturbation, adultery, and many things are not even attacked or rarely condemned now, nowhere near the way homosexuality is treated by Christians.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    That's why I said "if he begins." Far too many have fallen prey to the word and its thinking and have compromised truth to appease evil.

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    Re: Pope Francis: Church can't 'interfere' with gays

    This really made me lol. What are you talking about.


    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I tell you what, the Homosexual community HAS interfered with my personal life in several ways. Thanks to the homo indoctrination my oldest received in public school, I almost lost a daughter over their crap.

    GO BACK TO THE CLOSET MOFOS!

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    Re: Pope Francis: Church can't 'interfere' with gays

    Lol. The Roman emperors were accepting christianity towards the end of the empire, but it did thrive as a polytheist empire many years before Christ.

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    You guys can make all the fun you want, this creeping evil will help break down the very fabric of our society.

    Same sort of stuff brought down the Roman empire can bring us down as well.

    "For the wages of sin is death"

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    Re: Pope Francis: Church can't 'interfere' with gays

    Isn't that what the mormons believe. God created Adam and Eve, married and baptized the on ths stop. In the garden of Eden, present day Mississippi.



    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    God created marriage.

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    Re: Pope Francis: Church can't 'interfere' with gays

    A lot of people don't take the story literally.


    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Prove that God created marriage? Why does that need to be proven in a court? Adam and Eve were the first marriage, and guess who joined them together? God. Historically documented in Genesis.

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